What is the importance of this prophecy

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The true Church, the people of God, are seen by John in Revelation 7:9-14....They are those people who have passed thru the great ordeal, they have washed themselves in the Blood of the Lamb.

What we get from this is:
1/ they are; people from every tribe, [of Israel] every race, nation and language. Ethnicity counts for nothing.

2/ the great ordeal, or tribulation; as some trans put it. This obviously refers to the what will have just happened; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Revelation 6:12-17 NOT the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, to come later.
This event is our test of faith and trust in God's protection during His terrible Day of fiery wrath.
1 Peter 4:12-13 Dear friends, do not be surprised by the fiery ordeal which has come to test you......

3/ Those who do stand firm in their trust in the Lord on that forthcoming sudden and shocking Day of earthquakes, fire, storms and tsunamis, prophesied in over 100 scriptures, will be blessed as they gather into the holy Land, Psalms 107, Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, + and Jesus is revealed to them. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, Revelation 14:1

4/ The holy people of God are present in Jerusalem in the end times. The Anti-Christ, the 'beast', who will come to power soon after the Sixth Seal, will be allowed to conquer them. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8
But those who refused the 7 year treaty of peace with the AC: Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:32, will be taken to a place of safety for the 1260 days before Jesus Returns to commence His Millennium reign. Revelation 12:14
 

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It’s the church, the apostles who have the two edged sword
To define the truth on one side
To condemn error on the other

Sorry, just getting this.

Yeah, I would agree with Amigo's response here. Your denomination is steeped in the belief in apostolic succession through your church. The Sword is wielded by anyone in whom the Lord Jesus Christ abides, should they be truly abiding in Him when they speak or write. It is not the private domain of Popes or Bishops or Priests. The sword manifests in the hands of those who give themselves to prayer and the word, and offer themselves up in faithful service to Him. Denomination has nothing to do with it.
 
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Sorry, just getting this.

Yeah, I would agree with Amigo's response here. Your denomination is steeped in the belief in apostolic succession through your church. The Sword is wielded by anyone in whom the Lord Jesus Christ abides, should they be truly abiding in Him when they speak or write. It is not the private domain of Popes or Bishops or Priests. The sword manifests in the hands of those who give themselves to prayer and the word, and offer themselves up in faithful service to Him. Denomination has nothing to do with it.

you got scripture for this cos I do

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments




Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


Successors of Jesus Christ!

Jesus already prepares His apostles to continue His mission with His power (binding and loosing) and with His authority (keys) matt 16:18 matt 18:18

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 when therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John...
Jn 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples

Here we see Jesus delegating to His successors, Peter and the apostles!

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing

There can be no unity of the spirit without obedience to the faith! Rom 1:5 eph 4:3

Matt 28 I am with you (the apostles)

The papacy based on Matt 16:18 and Isa 22:21-22

Matt 16:18-19
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Isa 22:21-22
21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Behold I am with you (the successors or the apostles until the end of the age, so the successors must remain until the end of the age) matt 28:19

(None of the so called reformers were apostles) (no man has authority to start a church)


Successors of Moses!

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


apostolic succession!

explicit and implicit in scripture

Judas was an apostle
Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Matthias succeeded him as apostle

acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

now if it applies to judas how much more to Peter and the other apostles

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is with His church and His apostles until the end! So the apostles must remain until the end governing the church administering the kingdom

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:
 

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The true lambs are . the ones who hold to the original JESUS and HIS teachings and the original teachings o the apostels .
THE RCC DOES NOT DO THIS . SHE IS A WHORE . May i long be dead before i ever go in that direction .
I do love you my friend . But truly i had rather suffer all things of this world , to even die suffering in prison
than to ever join the SPIRITUAL PRISON OF THE RCC .
 
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Some may wonder why i have such joy in the LORD and continuously encourage us to praise HIM
and yet have such a staunch defense against the RCC and all false doctrine .
Cause i know its death and the end thereof is the second death . I truly love you all , even those who hate me .
ITS why you all dont see me fighting with anyone who attacks me . I HAVE MY HOPE . ITS JESUS , the BIBLCAL ONE .
BUt i know and i know without a doubt that the RCC is a whore , she is deadly and highly dangerous .
If we see a pond that is frozen and the ice is thin , and most kids fall in and drown
but rarely one or two manages to skate and not fall in , WOULD WE STILL ALLOW our own children to skate on thin ice .
OR would we do all to warn them DO NOT SKATE ON that pond with thin ice .
STAY AWAY FROM THE RCC . SHE IS DEADLY and highly dangerous .
 
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The true lambs are . the ones who hold to the original JESUS and HIS teachings and the original teachings o the apostels .
THE RCC DOES NOT DO THIS . SHE IS A WHORE . May i long be dead before i ever go in that direction .
I do love you my friend . But truly i had rather suffer all things of this world , to even die suffering in prison
than to ever join the SPIRITUAL PRISON OF THE RCC .

where do find these original teachings?
 

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If you wanna recruit folks for the RCC , try recruiting BB . He might listen , but then again me thinks not .
Let us just return to the bible my friend . IT AINT HARD TO DO . ITS so peaceful , so peaceful to just learn the bible for ourselves .

I always give you scripture

Saul thought he was acting righteous and doing Gods will like you he found the truth
 

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where do find these original teachings?
Not in the RCC , they claim they the succession . I find these sayings in the bible .
IF one would but read the bible with love for the truth by the HOLY GHOST they would see that the simplicity in Christ , that i speak of
IS TRUTH . Lambs hear and heed the voice of JESUS and hear and heed not the voice of men gone wrong .
You are loved my friend . ITs why i , with much love and dire warning stress to you and to all , GET OUT of the RCC
and come to the simplicity IN CHRIST .
 

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Not in the RCC , they claim they the succession . I find these sayings in the bible .
IF one would but read the bible with love for the truth by the HOLY GHOST they would see that the simplicity in Christ , that i speak of
IS TRUTH . Lambs hear and heed the voice of JESUS and hear and heed not the voice of men gone wrong .
You are loved my friend . ITs why i , with much love and dire warning stress to you and to all , GET OUT of the RCC
and come to the simplicity IN CHRIST .

Only the On true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has the guarantee of the HS to be free from all error
Jn 16:13
 

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Only the On true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has the guarantee of the HS to be free from all error
Jn 16:13
And thus it aint the RCC . My friend let it all go and let us just return to the true pure faith and be reading with much joy the bible .
The RCC is dangerous . Remember let no man beguile you of your reward in worshipping of angels , saints , or anyone , OTHER than GOD .
 
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Only the On true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has the guarantee of the HS to be free from all error
Jn 16:13

Not , it's the Churches of Philadelphia and Smyrna from the Book of Revelation that Christ found no fault with , the question that needs to be asked is why, which is explained in the verses itself...
 

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The true lambs are . the ones who hold to the original JESUS and HIS teachings and the original teachings o the apostels .
THE RCC DOES NOT DO THIS . SHE IS A WHORE . May i long be dead before i ever go in that direction .
I do love you my friend . But truly i had rather suffer all things of this world , to even die suffering in prison
than to ever join the SPIRITUAL PRISON OF THE RCC .
AMEN. And God bless you.
I do not love Roman Catholics, to be honest, like this 'theefaith' bigot, for example.
 

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where do find these original teachings?
God through all history preserved them in SCRIPTURE and to the resentment of all Catholics still protects them HIMSELF. Jesus in fact gave assurance that forever nothing that is the Bible will change or be lost or pass, and no Scripture, no Jesus who lets find Himself.
 

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And thus it aint the RCC . My friend let it all go and let us just return to the true pure faith and be reading with much joy the bible .
The RCC is dangerous . Remember let no man beguile you of your reward in worshipping of angels , saints , or anyone , OTHER than GOD .

the rcc agrees with you on both these points
 

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But spiritual blindness fundamentalist anarchy cannot replace the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles
 

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Not , it's the Churches of Philadelphia and Smyrna from the Book of Revelation that Christ found no fault with , the question that needs to be asked is why, which is explained in the verses itself...

there is only one universal church Jn 10:16