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  1. Mr E

    Question for non-JW's

    Seventh Day Adventists too.... they believe and teach that 'the great prince' is both Michael and Jesus. And they consider themselves Christian. Mormons also consider themselves Christian. As do some Baptists, if you can believe it. The thing is-- everybody.... every "body" gets some things...
  2. Mr E

    Question for non-JW's

    It reminds me of that story of the man who had to flee his home when floods ravaged his town. He climbed up on his roof as the flood waters kept rising and from there he could see others one by one, being swept away. "My God!" he cried out-- "God save me! I trust in you Lord, save me from...
  3. Mr E

    julie green--who is she?

    Here's the problem.... She states repeatedly- "The Lord says......" God told me that xyz was going to happen. Then when it doesn't? Did God lie? Did God make a mistake? Did He change His mind? Because Julie never admits to getting it wrong. Did Nancy Pelosi die? Julie said God told her...
  4. Mr E

    julie green--who is she?

    You're kidding, right? This woman cannot be taken seriously.
  5. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Here's a tidbit. The Greek translations use a specific word, that we then render as translated or "transported." As English speakers-- transported means simply to be carried away, or moved from one spot to another. The Greek text uses a different word when referencing Phillip's experience...
  6. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    As a matter of practicality it’s quite likely that the original accounts would have been written in Galilean Aramaic. These disciples of Jesus were after all, primarily Galilean. The Greek manuscripts and fragments thereof that have survived are obviously the work of copyists much later in time...
  7. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Oh marks… you get yourself so worked up. Just address the point. Don’t Tip toe… past the questions… past the questions.
  8. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    So disingenuous marks. Borderline dishonest. Certainly not intellectually honest. You side-step questions you don't like and pretend they weren't asked. I asked you about the visions of other prophets. Do you consider the things they saw as 'factual errors?" Do you apply the same standard...
  9. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Ever heard of scribes? Copyists? Historians? A book doesn't have to have been "penned" by the hand of the person the material therein is attributed to. Like this-- for example. Did Moses write this>>>>? An honest investigator would admit that they don't really know if Moses actually wrote...
  10. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    lol.... don't get the vapors. Bias, unlike prejudice- can be for or against an opinion on a matter. It doesn't have to be perceived as negative (though it might be) particularly if it springs from an unfair treatment of some issue at hand. To the Coptic Ethiopians, your treatment of their...
  11. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Early church leaders accepted the book of Enoch as scripture, and as mentioned- it remains so by some Orthodox Christian communities. It took 'the church councils 500 years to decide it didn't belong-- Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Athenagoras, and Barnabas.... all accepted Enoch...
  12. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Enoch testifies to what he saw. In spirit. Are you saying he didn't? Compare what Enoch saw in spirit to the accounts of the prophets-- Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Elijah, Elisha and others. Compare it to the writings of what John tells us he was shown. Are you going to discount all of these...
  13. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Not only does Jude quote from Enoch, several copies of the earlier sections of 1 Enoch were preserved among the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Ethiopian Church considers it ancient, authentic and scripture to this day. And Enoch-- the seventh from Adam would have been a historical source even for...
  14. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Feel free to start a thread to discuss. I'd be happy to discuss elsewhere, unless you are intent on being a distraction here. I'll leave you to think on this and leave it at that.... Would you consider Jude to qualify as a scholarly source? He quotes Enoch-- are you going to insist that...
  15. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    That's a separate topic and conversation. It's certainly a common assumption.
  16. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    No assumption is necessary- if you accept the scriptures that detail what happened. Does this really sound to you, that the account is referring to 'the sky' (where the airplanes fly). Elisha was an eye witness>>> As they were walking along and talking, suddenly a fiery chariot pulled by...
  17. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Is it though? You'll have to wrestle with your beliefs. No one can do the heavy lifting for you. Couldn't help but notice that you completely ignored, or otherwise sidestepped the question I posed to you about Elijah. Here's the context.... 2 Kings 2>>> Just before the LORD took Elijah up...
  18. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Rather than isolating that one verse, have you considered the whole passage from John 3 for context? It consists of a broad conversation that Jesus was having with Nicodemus that was centered on a few very important concepts, namely: What it means to be born again-- 'born from above' or born...
  19. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Funny how one can be so certain of something they can't possibly know. Have a good day JohnDB.
  20. Mr E

    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Enoch's own account of his dream-- At that time he said, When 165 years were complete for me, I fathered my son Methusala; and after that I lived 200 years. I completed all the years of my life, 365 years. In the first month, on the assigned day of the first month, I was in my house alone...