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  1. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Lol You omitted "....and they loved not their lives unto death" It says CLEARLY the AC is given power over the saints, and overcomes them. They are all martyred. You simply can not wiggle out of it.
  2. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    IOW...the bible is wrong about the AC killing all the saints.
  3. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    144k out of the 12 tribes.. Ethnic Jews. Stop changing the bible
  4. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    "All recieve the mark not written in the book" I see you did not address that. Your word salad deflected what is written. You were unable to wiggle out of what is written. Instead you invoke dead men futilly.
  5. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Let's look at another postrib rapture pillar. The "one coming dilemma " Postribbers insist on one coming. That means Rev 14:14 can not be taken seriously . Rev14:14 does a number on their doctrine. It sure does pay off to go into estateology with an open mind. Because In revelation, if I...
  6. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Ok. I am centered on the compete picture. Not an attempt for a hope of going through the trib. ( the trib where all die refusing the mark) You do know that no believers escapes being killed?
  7. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    What about all the changes, to the virgin parable, postrib rapture doctrine blatantly administers to it? They will tell us that wicked sinners ( 5 foolish virgins), have the Holy Spirit, light, are waiting and watching for Jesus, and are in close fellowship with serious believers. Even sleep...
  8. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Is there a post tribulation rapture at hearant, That can explain to me, In their doctrine, the omission that the Antichrist kills all refusing the mark? It says every man Woman and child, Whether bond or free, receives the mark. Nobody escapes it. If you refuse it, you die. According to God's...
  9. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    What no postribber seems to factor in is Where we see the the 2 covenants. The Jew and the Gentile. We see that it is written in the word that Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, Until The Times of the Gentiles are completed. So that right there tells you. There has to be a rapture...
  10. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    There are 2 escape verses in the Bible that are Jesus words. In one verse, he says pray that you may be counted worthy to Escape the things that are about to come up on the earth and stand before the son of man. The other verse is in revelation somewhere around chapter 3. Where are Jesus says...
  11. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    The post tribulation rapture doctrine has a dilemma. And that dilemma is in acts chapter one. The angels declare that "this same Jesus that you see ascending. Shall we turn in like manner" . That only fits a pretrib rapture that Jesus described of Jesus coming by himself. To rapture the church...
  12. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    QUOTE "The phrase “before the flood” simply sets the scene — Jesus is describing the attitude of the wicked right before judgment hits. That’s the point. They’re eating, drinking, distracted — and then BOOM: wiped out. That is the “taking.” You twisting that into “a pre-trib rapture before the...
  13. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    QUOTE "Darby. Not Scofield. Not your pastor. Jesus Christ — and everyone who still believes what He actually said." The reason you think others are obsessed with dead men is because your doctrine told you the dead ancients are more reliable than the bible. That is why your dusty Bible can not...
  14. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    The AC kills all the saints. Anyone refusing the mark is killed. That alone debunks any hope of running from cave to cave escaping the AC. No such thing as making it through the trib.
  15. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Jesus is there in body as are the saints from paradise.
  16. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Some people in here are so immersed in labels and doctrine that they even tell me to quit quoting scripture
  17. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    The reason you keep misquoting Matthew 24 is because you have a doctrine that I am totally destroying. All I am doing is showing you what Jesus said when you follow men and their doctrines they will eventually make a fool out of you
  18. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    NOPE He compares it to before the flood So sorry to see that there was no wicked that perished before the flood as you are insisting
  19. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Jesus said his coming is before the flood please don't butcher it it's what Jesus said. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took...
  20. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Calm down and use scripture. Stop all that dead man spew and defend your doctrine outside of all those ridiculous props. Yes we see all your defending and condemning of dead men. What drives you into all that nothing burger nonsense???? Address this; The AC kills all without the mark. rev 13...