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  1. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    Actually, it is the same with me. Later...
  2. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    Homosexual orientation is just like heterosexual orientation. Could you deny yourself (your heterosexual desires and behavior) for a lifetime? Then as I challenged another, as you wrote "Men who lay with men" as a sin for the genders involved, produce that verse that applies to a Christian...
  3. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    My suggested denominations are those coming out of the Protestant Reformation holding to Christian orthodoxy, not these new movements that began popping up in the latter 19th century with their various heresies. It is their Biblical, Christian orthodoxy that is the point, not the denominational...
  4. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    You've made the claim, now produce the verse that condemns male to male loving, intimate relationship for the New Covenant believer, a Christian. Even if you quote from Leviticus, even for the Jews it did not mean what fundamentalists try to say, and it was to Jews, not Christians.
  5. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    The quote you gave from my post was based on the idea that a male to male relationship sinful just because it is same-sex; but that is not MY position because I do not find the Bible to teach that anywhere, even Leviticus. I take it that you teach sinless perfection, which I find completely...
  6. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    Barney, I stay with the older understanding of effeminate as just that, not sexual acts. Also, the older Bibles (KJV, RV, ASV, YLT) translate "abusers" by sodomite (if you use the 1828 Webster's) so they were sodomizing others but now they are washed, sanctified... I take "washed" to mean by...
  7. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    David, I do not know who you have in mind, here is one answer: "And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah. But God came to Abimelech in a dream of the night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, because of the woman whom...
  8. Arthur81

    The End Time sequence of Events...

    It strikes me as totally inconsistent for the futurist/literalist to concoct all of his theories, but ignore the plain statements of the book itself: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and...
  9. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    David, there is something that always struck me as odd, the woman was caught in the very act of adultery, so that means the man had to be there in the act as well. Yet, they only wish to bring forth the woman for stoning. Leviticus reads: “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his...
  10. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    Steve, I've looked at those "Gay Affirming" church lists in the past and it seems to be the modernist, liberal churches such as the ELCA who even ordain transsexuals and lesbians to the pastorate. For some reason, it also hits me similar to saying "Divorce Affirming" churches. While divorce is...
  11. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    Yes, I agree with you on that. It is just that the label "Calvinist" has been turned into such a pejorative word in modern evangelicalism, I find it introduces a strong negative thought process before the scriptures can be examined. When I read Martin Luther's "Bondage of the Will", I see how...
  12. Arthur81

    Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

    What answers does the conservative church give to the male of fully homosexual orientation, who does not have the "gift" of abstinence? My question is aimed at the the historic churches coming out of the Protestant Reformation such as the Presbyterians and the Particular or Reformed Baptist...
  13. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    Friend, I've been responding to your ideas about certain scriptures, now I'll give you a couple from various translations so you can tell us what they mean, and why they do not support the absolute sovereignty of God in salvation. "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and...
  14. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    But with a big exception Logikos, Paul's words were holy scripture where our Elders and Deacons are not. I agree, Calvin did not come up with anything new. In the Reformation, Luther, Calvin and others of the Reformation were Augustinian in theology, and quoted from Augustine often to prove...
  15. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    Notice, the term "in the land" is written three times. This is about living and remaining in the promised land. This is not talking about eternal salvation!
  16. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    The YLT makes that verse a bit more clear: "...for God did so love the world, that His Son--the only begotten--He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during." (John 3:16 YLT) This is an observation of an existing fact, "every one who is...
  17. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    About your last phrase "God's will for ALL but still your choice" I'd agree with what you seem to refer to in the "will" of God here. It is his preceptive will, what he prescribes for man to do for salvation; so I agree there. Now, as to "but still your choice", how and why does a person make...
  18. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    You've gone rambling off track. You seem to be bringing in the following verse, not addressing Jer. 1:5 - "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."...
  19. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    First, what I do not see in the following verse is anything whatsoever about the question of abortion. The verse is recording God's assurances of his being a prophet even though Jeremiah considered himself merely a boy. God speaks of his decree or the predestination of Jeremiah to be a...
  20. Arthur81

    So then, no more boasting about human leaders! Believers need not be "club" members==calvinist!!

    While I do not like to use the name of a man to describe a doctrinal view, I find what is usually considered Calvinist(the Five Points coming out of the Synod of Dort), to be squarely on scripture. To simplify, give one verse you think 'Calvinists' are misinterpreting. Don't give a flood of...