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Sister, I agree with Amigo's answer, which I received as God's wisdom in spirit. Our aim should be nothing less than Jesus Christ. And in line with what he also said, I wonder if men placing on shoulders what might be an unrealistic burden or expectation for most is from the Tree of Knowledge...

You aren't taking into account such scriptures as "we who believe HAVE entered His rest." And "you ARE in the Spirit if you HAVE the Spirit." In a manner of speaking, we are to seek to enter and walk in what we have ALREADY received. Otherwise we couldn't do it. But, "As ye HAVE received...

This all has to do with the sovereignty of God. The Lord knows both good and evil. He is the one who created the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. He foreknew what Lucifer would do before He even created him, just like He foreknew what Adam & Eve would do, and just as He always foreknown...

Aren't you forgetting that modern "American style" Christianity to this degree is a modern phenomenon? The church was doing way better than this generally prior to modern times while still believing in imputed righteousness and remission of sins. It only spoils those who ignore or wrest so...

Amen. Believing by faith is our transformative first step in obeying, ie, being subject to, the gospel. 2Co 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;

We are not to approach scripture in a literal logical way with the natural carnal mind. That is often the natural man seeking glory for himself, wanting to be credited for figuring things out by himself. Try to notice going forward, how often scripture reiterates the same concept twice in the...

Horsefeathers, oh my. Who is this talking about then?: 2Th 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ...

The "And" is simply repeating the same idea as the verse above.......a common thing with scripture.

Oh dear, only one post in and already we have a problem Epi. To start with you are ignoring or missing the point. I was pointing out that if it is hard for those who know the Lord to be saved, what will become of those who are still in their sins? And I will also point out that anyone who is...

Yes.....and so if it is hard even for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the unbelieving and ungodly? Jesus being both the narrow gate and narrow way are by the same token as you are mentioning, not mutually exclusive either. We need to both receive Christ as well as follow/obey...

Sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say. Is this a line of discussion here...?...I haven't caught up with the thread yet. But I would like to point out that God created both good and evil, in case it is relevant to your point.

Many kinds of thorns over the years here, some of which involve other people so can't really get into it all, and also some of which I brought on myself. But I don't think thorns in the flesh are a separate thing necessarily from the chastisements we undergo in the will of the Lord that we may...

Just be very sure it is the Lord aiming the firehose when and where it needs to be, and not we ourselves. Fire hoses can be very destructive when they aren't handled properly.

But are you seeing leaven in the OP topic here about Christian suffering? Nothing to do with "getting along" and seeker friendly, but we do need to learn about other things to do with Christ and the gospel besides leaven. I sure wish I had some understanding of this subject of suffering when...

Correcting and warning of course needs to be a part of what the church does, but i would think in about the same proportion as we see in the bible, which spends at least as much time teaching/preaching what is true (and probably more?) as it does on warning against the false. There are also...

Dear brother, it is hard to watch, but I believe one really good way to battle counterfeits and deceptions is to learn and grow in what is true and teach/preach what is true. If we just keep focussing on what is wrong all the time we could end up like Lot's wife who was looking back to watch...

That is so lovely sister. Bearing about in our bodies the dying of the Lord Jesus. The marks of the cross....I believe in a way it marks us as belonging to Him, so that is why we can count it all joy, even though it isn't pleasant at the time.

Hope you aren't trying to kill me with kindness. "While promising them liberty....." We are to bring our thoughts CAPTIVE to the obedience of Christ (His word) and become SLAVES of righteousness...true? I don't know for sure, but I wonder if you are confusing what is already a done deal from...

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

ok then......so far (like pulling teeth, in trying to look into this topic and also understand where you're coming from), you believe the end of the world has already taken place, that God has already rooted out of His kingdom all who do evil and are unbelieving, gathered the righteous wheat...