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  1. Phoneman777

    Absent from the Body, what did Paul mean?

    Absolutely agree. He specifically links mortality-swallowing "life" with being "clothed upon" with an immortal body. The Immortal Soul crowd says the body is dead, but the "immortal soul" lives on in the presence of God without the mortality-swallowing "life" of being "clothed upon" with an...
  2. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    A devout SDA physician who knows full well there is no consciousness in death was deceived by the appearance of his two dead daughters, albeit for a short time. If the devil could get to those of us who know better, I'm positive that when Mary appears to you, you'll be the most vocal in...
  3. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    Look, a simple "Yes, I would recognize them as demonic deception" would suffice. Would you?. Wrong - I only look outside the Bible after I've determined what it teaches - and it teaches the dead are dead in the grave, not alive disembodied in heaven or hell. Guess you've never read 2 Peter...
  4. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    What happens when Mary shows up...or Peter...or your dearly departed loved ones? Will you recognize them as demonic deception? Before you answer, many, many years ago, an SDA doctor took his wife and two young daughters to the 3rd world to work, and both daughters tragically became ill and...
  5. Phoneman777

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    These globalists gather at the annual "Bilderberg" meetings and other such "think tanks" claiming to work on solving the world's problems, but what they're really doing has been foretold in prophecy: helping to set up a global police state where you either conform to apostasy or suffer the...
  6. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    Again, in Rev. 17, the "whore riding the beast" symbolizes an "apostate church controlling the state". In Rev. 18, "Babylon" is global religious apostasy, by repeated use of "every, every" and it is also laid next to the global government "kings of the Earth" and global economy "Merchants of...
  7. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    You need to go back and start over, now that you know that my position is that "Babylon" and the "Mystery Babylon" whore are not identical.
  8. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    You wrongly claimed that I say "Babylon" and "Mystery Babylon" are the same: the papacy. I clarified that "Mystery Babylon" is the papacy itself (the apostate church "whore" riding a secular state "beast") --- while "Babylon" refers to the coming "one world occult religious system" (with papacy...
  9. Phoneman777

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    TBH, the "ten kings" of Revelation might point to the Club of Rome's "Ten Economic Centers" of which they'd divided up the planet in the coming NWO. But, that would make them distinct from the Ten Toes/Ten Horns. My favorite preacher talks about the audacity of puny man to be so blinded by...
  10. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    Why? You claimed I limited my definition of "Babylon" to only the papacy, then "debunked" my "claim" by pointing out that the papacy is not a "cage" and "hold" of "every". Textbook strawman argument - though unintentional, I believe - that could have been avoided if you'd have just asked me first.
  11. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    In Revelation 17, the "Babylon the Great" Whore" riding the Beast is specifically speaking of the papacy - the apostate church "woman" holding the reins of the secular state, as in the days of Jezebel and Ahab and the Dark Ages. In Revelation 18, what's depicted is the NWO: "Kings of the...
  12. Phoneman777

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    Before the truth of Protestant Historicism, the ECFs taught the Ten Toes and Ten Horns were the same kingdoms, so.....
  13. Phoneman777

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    I understand the horns and toes are what remains after Rome falls - the barbarians who morphed into Europe and continue to our day and to the return of Jesus, evolving into what we see today. Seems to me since it says "feet and toes" that denotes one single prophetic element coming after the...
  14. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    We can't deny a "woman" refers to a church - a "pure" woman belongs to God. The Whore, to the streets: "I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely, delicate woman". ("Zion...thou art My people") "I have espoused you...as a chaste virgin to Christ." "And if I go, I will come again and...
  15. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    Not exactly. A "woman" in prophecy symbolizes a "church". The "Whore" is the papacy, the false Christian church. Those who are of the world are lost...those who are of the Whore are commanded to "come out of her, My people" and that not only includes papists, but "protestants" who follow papal...
  16. Phoneman777

    The Mother is the origin of the harlots

    Also, the "seal" aka "mark" of God written on our foreheads identifies us with God. The "mark" written on the forehead of those who follow the Beast aka Whore of Babylon identifies them, too.
  17. Phoneman777

    Mystery Babylon is a CITY Per God's Word

    Jesuit scholar, maybe. A blind man can see these references all through Scripture...why can't you? Too good to waste on just one of you ;)
  18. Phoneman777

    Mystery Babylon is a CITY Per God's Word

    Wow, knowing this, you still reject the Isaiah 28 principle and allow Zechariah 4 interpret Revelation 11. Forced? Have you read Zechariah 4? God plainly tells you the vision of the candlesticks, Olive Trees, oil, Two Witnesses "sons of oil" all point to the Word of God, as does the...
  19. Phoneman777

    Mystery Babylon is a CITY Per God's Word

    Look, I can't trust you "scholars" to think beyond the nose on your faces and recognize the obvious - that "sons of oil" also means "offspring of oil" in like manner that "sons of Abraham" means "offspring of Abraham". The oil represents the Holy Spirit and the "sons of oil" - within the...