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Hi Logabe. This is how i see the first resurrection. 　 This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. 　...

Greetings Retrobyter. God dealt with the evil world of old by sending the flood....Judgment. Only Noah and family were left to enjoy the new world that emerged. Jesus compared those events with his coming again, as did Peter. Only those in the ark of Christ will inherit the new world that he has...

Cheers Rex ;) No I am not confused. Do you understand the point im trying to make ? Revelation is clearly not consecutive, but a series of visions that describe events between the first and second coming from different perspectives imho. Here is an article that explains my position rather...

Hi, Yes, that is the "how". How do you feel about the "when"...,occuring at the GWT and the opening of the book of life that reveals the redeemed?. Not sure what you mean....., but i would say its Jesus bodily return (appearing), that closes the door to salvation and opens the door to our...

I didnt say i denied its existence. I said i dont see it as happening in the future ,when Christ comes again. All the verses i have quoted suggest that Christ comes again to judge all ,at a time of total destruction.This is clearly after the period refered to as millenium. To insert a thousand...

I didnt forget about it, i just dont see any reference in the NT to such a period happening in the future. What i do see is the son of man coming to render to everyman..seperate the sheep from the goats at the final judgment. That puts the second coming at the GWT, which is after Revelations...

I woke up this morning considering this verse for some reason. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For...

Any examples you can link me to? You dont seem to believe the fact that i didnt call you a false prophet. Your opening remark ( above ) implies that i am one of those people to whome you refer. Let's just let it go.

So now you think im a liar :rolleyes: For what its worth i will explain why i underlined and bolded those parts... only god knows those who are his.., anyone can call themselves a Church or Christian, but it doesnt make it so, as many will say to him Lord Lord but he never knew them. among...

:blink: I never called you a false prophet .This is the second time you have misunderstood me. I was simply reminding you that scripture testifies to the fact that it is only God who knows those who are truly his, and he alone can see the heart and judge on these matters......and that Peter...

God /Yahveh himself saves us by being born the wonderful child. His own arm has bought mankind salvation.

The text has never suggested to me that it could be an accident. God calls us out in his grace not wanting anyone to perish and FALL short of the blessing. It was no accident that Judas was selected, Jesus called him a freind , yet he went out into perdition through the choice he made...

Only God knows those who are truly his., But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Many will follow...

The Church is warned not to be decieved by it. They in thessalonica had already believed a lie that came from an imposter. An inside job is more likely to decieve the elect..if that were possible. God sends a strong delusion to whome? Does the already deluded world need a further stronger...

I think it relates to the Church because the man of sin is also known as the son of perdition. Judas Iscariot was a son of perdition and he was one of the twelve...chosen to be a part of the foundation of Apostolic truth and the body of Christ,....but he went out. It is therefore possible that...

Hi 1Tim 4 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,...... Matt 24 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name...

Hi Oliver I was thinking the same thing. :D Verse 1 of 2thess 2 is in regard to the Lords coming and our gathering.Some were thinking that it had come, but Paul tells them that the day had not come, and wont come until the apostasy and man of sin has come. 　 Paul is teaching the same subject...

Sorry, but he doesnt say that. He specifically says that it is about the Lord coming and gathering his own after the apostasy and the man of sin being revealed. "Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not...

Ok, great. So why does Paul say that the apostasy or departure has to happen prior to the Lords coming to gather his saints? The Lords coming and our rapture to him are inseperable from each other......just as the apostasy / departure from the faith and the man of sin coming are. God bless.

How do you see this as a false equation, when you said yourself that the general subject was about his coming and our gathering to him. Surely you see that our gathering to him is about the rapture. Before this day happens we are told of a apostasy/departure and the man of sin revealed. Once...