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Of course your apology is accepted we can all get a little excited at times thank you

I had to go back and dig this up from a while ago but here it is The Book of Revelation Was Written Before AD 70

Couldn’t it be that the early church fathers were just following Irenaus lead?

Amen this is overall a spoiled generation compared to the past To me revelation was also a message and a warning to the church that a more severe persecution was coming but also a promise from Jesus that He would walk through it with them and that in the end the church would persevere and be...

A quick google search will come up with many examples of showing that revelation was written before 70AD just like another google search will show many reasons that Revelation was written around 95AD. Like I said I have books for example “Before Jerusalem fell”and have seen debates showing the...

But all you did was just add Antiochus to other posts and say that this didn’t happen in the past and quoted some scriptures and add what you think that they mean. This doesn’t prove anything you just told me your interpretation of them which I disagree with. I used to believe like you do and...

I keep telling you that I don’t think that Daniel 9:27 or the little horn took place in 70AD it didn’t I believe it was fulfilled during the time of the Maccabees before the first advent. I believe that the Olivit discourse was fulfilled in 70AD Jesus comes in judgement many times like He...

That is a matter of translations but tabernacle means dwelling place and God doesn’t dwell in a literal temple anymore He dwells within us Your quote from Matthew 25 is on the judgement day after God has destroyed our current world with fire thus Jerusalem is no more

The end of what? It could mean many different things I don’t think that Antiochus Epehanies fulfilled 70AD he was a few hundred years before that Jesus did say within that generation and it actually happened within that generation. Why is there no New Testament reference to the 70Th week...

Maybe you missed my point about the mark being literal would mean that John 3:16 can’t stand. You just made a statement without addressing my point that salvation is to all who repent. The point isn’t will they repent or not it’s can they? Can any of these verses below stand if the mark is...

Revelation 17:16-17 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked;they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their...

Yes thanks they do start at the same time and end at different times and yes they all will be judged at the end

I’ll have to respond after I get back from church and thanks for not trying to divert this thread but I think it’s been hijacked a few times now LOL FYI I’m English too I left Coventry at age 7 and immigrated to Canada

John’s early penning of revelation would support my view fully For example the beast destroys Babylon the great for Gods purpose and Rome destroyed Jerusalem for Gods purpose

The Jews took part in the mark when they said that they have no king but Cesar and they did the beast will by handing their messiah over to Rome to crucify.

This is what I believe Daniel spoke of a future to his time AOD and Antiochus fulfilled it Jesus prophesied of a future to his time AOD and the Romans fulfilled it Revelation is the revelation of Jesus as in who He is and what He did. He is God and He ushered in the new covenant. Revelation...

No what I said was did Jesus Jesus save us physically or spiritually with His spiritual death? He saved us spiritually as will will never spiritually die but our bodies will physically die

The Jews living during the time of the Maccabees suffering the wrath of Antiochus Epehanies who read Daniels prophecies would disagree with you. Jesus referred back to Daniel showing that what happened in the past would also happen in the future but this time there would be no Judas the hammer...

Your scriptures are proving my point that all who have the mark will perish. John 3:16 for example says that anyone who believes in Jesus will be saved. It doesn’t say anyone who believes in Jesus will be saved unless they have the mark. Thus a literal mark can’t be or else scripture would...

Yes I think that we have been over this before and I have a book full of scholars showing that revelation was written before 70AD and have watched debates on it. But it doesn’t really matter because none of our references are biblical authority and even early church fathers have made mistakes...