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Scratch this reply got lost in the threads I was dealing with let me try again. I cannot seem to see what you are pointing out that might say something other than I have already said. You will have to help me see your point so we can discuss our differences. The Passage you posted is leading up...

OK I think I see where you are going the gospel to the Jews and a separate gospel to the gentiles is that where we are headed. I never seen two different gospels during my time of study I also thought the bible taught only one gospel for the Jews and gentile alike that there is neither Jew or...

Hope this does not come off as rude but truth in love "Even simply calling water baptism a necessary act of obedience is contradicted in the Scriptures." Quite the contrary it is expressly taught but watered down by many a religious group. We have been over passage after passage that put it...

Such a bold statement with no supporting scripture. Please show me the scripture you found that says that? There are many scriptures that you contradict with such a bold statement that can't be found in the bible.

A command I must obey is repent also believe also confess so why is baptism any different? You do realize it is not man that does the work in baptism but God right? It is God that transforms us from being dead in sin to alive in Christ that is the work being done we only submit to God so he can...

Let us reason if Paul asked if you got the spirit when you believed and you answered I have never even heard of such a spirit. Then Paul asked you then into what were you baptized? Now put on our reasoning cap would that mean that when I was considered a believer it also meant that I had also...

I was thinking that since Paul in Acts 19:1-5 already deals with how one believed was meaning including the baptism in Jesus name where the spirit was given. and wasn't it Paul that said that so it isn't most likely that is the same thing he is saying here or is it here he had a different...

see in verse 13 head the gospel believed and was baptized to get the seal of the holy Spirit of promise almost word for word as Acts 2 and 19:1-5 and Romans 6:3ff

Yes just as Paul said believed included he expected them to have been baptized in the name of Christ but they hadn't been so he did it for them good scripture to back up scripture

You say Paul did not teach baptism in the name of Christ look at Acts 19:-1-5 and Tell me where Paul says the spirit is given ?

Could Acts 19:1-5 be saying that maybe both happen at same time

Could it maybe be maybe both?

Yes sister I hear you we are both stuck in our beliefs and no way to further the discussion we have come to blocked minds that can't communicate so our discussion has come to its end we have no where else to go thank you for your input though it was quite enlightening.

Sorry for hijacking this thread I will bow out and turn it back over to the OP again sorry for the hijack

Yes I am aware you are not seek anything other that your preconceived ideals and this not the thread for this discussion so my dear sister I bid you ado

Sister it is you that seem to have blinders on you are stuck in John 3 when the gospel went forth you got left behind.Romans 6 tells how God birthing you in the spirit it is through the baptism in Jesus name it is like the wind you can see the time (hear the wind) but not the action of God...

I have answered your questions given scripture to support my answers and you ignore them saying I do not know what I am talking about It is time you answered questions Do you believe what is recorded in Acts 2:38 if so what is said is it true or needs restated in different wording? Does Acts...

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born anew. The wind bloweth where it will, and thou hearest the voice thereof, but knowest not whence it cometh, and whither it goeth; so is every one that is born of the Spirit. These verses record Jesus' help of Nicodemus to believe and understand...

Ritajanice In reply to your post #56 I do not understand your point of reference it is not telling how to be born again but walking in the spirit.

we totally disagree here the gospel of John mostly is about God giving the spirit Acts 2:38 says God gives the spirit Act 19 says God gives the spirit Romans 6 tells God gives the spirit Have you not read any scriptures I gave you? What in the world is the LIVING spiritual birth and where is...