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That's okay Jack. I know it's rare, but I believe that there can be disagreement and love at the same time. The Reformed position is that there is a universal call as well as an effectual call. Biblical proof for this would be for example: Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

Great! I'm glad I could help. Randor, I'm sorry, but I don't know where your belt is. LOL

It's only "metaphorical" in the sense that those being shepherded are "people" instead of "sheep." You're grasping at straws Stan.

I appreciate you too Randor and I love your attitude. Keep on being a fisher of men. That's what our Lord wants.

Yes, incoherent as usual. Was "apostle" used in a metaphorical sense? How about "prophets?" How about "evangelists?" No? That's what I thought. Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Yes, it's a difficult concept to accept. I would rather be a universalist, but Scripture won't allow that.

Because my friend, our God uses means to accomplish his will. 1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 1Co...

1Ti 3:1 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. 1Ti 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 1Ti 3:3 not a drunkard, not violent...

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; The Greek word for "pastor" is "poimen." It means "shepherd." ποιμήν poimēn Thayer Definition: 1) a herdsman, especially a shepherd 1a) in the parable, he to whose care and...

It started early, but no, it was not so in the beginning. The longevity of a rebellious practice is not an excuse for its acceptance. Show me even one NT reference that allows for the use of icons in worship, especially bowing down to them.

Hi Jack, I may be missing the point of your question but the following passages come to mind: Gal 3:6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"? Gal 3:7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing...

Iforrest did not presume anything. He actually provided Biblical proof. What would you like to do with the following? Psa 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. Psa 11:5 The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves...

I misunderstood what you were saying. Please accept my apology.

The second commandment is clear and all I'm seeing is a bunch of excuses for circumventing a direct command. There are no extenuating circumstances prescribed along with the second commandment. I see no exemption directing those who only intend dulia or hyperdulia to disregard the commandment...

That is not word for word from the TR. Where did you get that? The verbs aren't parsed properly among other things. Not even close. There is no "in any way" in the Greek text.

I'm not sure where we got our wires crossed, but I'm not defending the ESV. It adopts a textual variant that makes absolutely no sense in the context of Luke 22:16. That was my argument.

Yes it is good. :)

I don't have a problem with your definition, but I do have a problem with the way you misrepresented the second commandment in your attempt to justify statues in the Roman mass. How did you do this? You left out a very important part of the second commandment. Exo 20:4 "You shall not make for...

Hello Pilgrimer, Just a heads up. It's no accident that Zeke chose Luke's account of the last supper instead of one of the other Gospels. There is a textual variant associated with Luke 22:16. Some English versions such as the ESV, ASV, and RSV adopt the variant that leaves out the words "any...

Hello Martin. I'm going to have to disagree with you here. It's actually the other way around. The Roman church would have been primarily Gentiles along with some Jewish believers. Rom 1:13 I want you to know, brothers, that I have often intended to come to you (but thus far have been...