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I apologize heartwashed. I didn't know you had taken the beam out of your eye when you appeared to me you were judging me on what you thought was a pride filled post of mine. You are a righteous person. Yes, we can judge. SHOULD we judge? I guess it depends on the situation. :rolleyes: Did...

Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42

I know it's about when someone sins against you. That is what I have been saying all along. o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O You changed SIN into offending behavior in a previous post! When someone SINS it is a violation of Scripture. I sincerely hope that the sum of all believers in your congregation teach...

I didn't ignore your "fact". Help me out here and maybe I will better understand what YOU believe the leaders of a church are for: What does the "leadership" in your church do? Plan bake sales? Open the doors and turn on the lights before your church service? Pay the bills? Decide where the...

And you should consider this passage: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Sooooo you do realize what that passage from James is saying? Don't You? Once again, that passage ALSO does NOT say do not judge. If men can not judge other men then go and sin all you...

Ok...I get your theory. Your theory suggests if I steal, I can't judge others for stealing. That is not true. I can still judge a thief and tell them what they are doing is sinful, against Scripture and they will go to hell. However whatever judgement I have just given them (they will go to...

I can see where I didn't clarify my thought process on that and you would think that. My mistake. In the scenario I presented I would have helped the homeless person. Just because I "judge" another for not being a good Christian and helping that homeless person does not mean I have a beam in my...

No, I am not. I am saying that I don't agree with your theory that "at the beginning of the first 1,500 years that the departure of the church took place". I am saying what I have said many times before on this forum and what Scripture teaches: The church has always been teaching the Truth and...

Lol....when does @amigo de christo EVER answer a question?

Hello, Where does Scripture say that a disciple is a disciplined follower? We get the word disciple from the Latin word discipulus and discipulus does NOT mean "disciplined follower".....that is why I asked that question! :rolleyes:

Hello heartwashed, Your theory makes no sense to me. Putting your theory into practice means that if I see someone stealing and I judge them for it that means it is 3 times as evident on my own face? I am a theif also. If I see someone walk by a hungry, coatless and homeless person on a cold...

I didn't change what you said Ferris. I quoted what you said. And when a person starts name calling and lying about what was said it is evidence they are wrong.....but to embarrassed or PRIDEFUL to admit it.

If you think you didn't commit a SIN (what you call an offending behavior, but Scripture doesn't) and the church says you did commit a SIN and you disagree with the decision of the church (what you call the sum totals of all believers) then what is that Ferris? By your own admitance CLEARLY you...

Scott, Scott, Scott. For a man who wrote a book, you are not book smart. The Church DID NOT depart from the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. SOME men did....but The Church did not. The TRUTH did not stop being taught. Some men started teaching OPPOSITE of what The Church was teaching, and...

I am going to make this real simple for you Ferris since you are at an early stage in learning Scripture: If a person is ex-communicated from The Church for committing a SIN, even though in their reaiding of Scripture it is not a SIN, then there is CLEARLY a doctrinal difference. What's so hard...

Oh goodness Ferris......The passage says "SIN" not "offending behavior" as you have suggested. Maybe you like to misquote or add to Scripture but I don't. Why are you changing Scripture? 2nd off, let's go with your "sum total of believers in the congregation" theory. Is that done by majority...

Stop it Ferris...PLEASE just stop it. YOU quoted 6 words from a passage. You used those 6 words as evidence to back up your theory. So PLEASE don't suggest that I am "grasping" at anything. I responded to what YOU wrote. MARYMOG has made it very clear that we ARE talking about ALL the passages...

Oh goodness Ferris...I'm tired. you are wearing me out. WHO is 'the church' in the part that says 'and if he still refuses to listen to the church treat him as a pagan or tax collector'? Your men have taught you that EVERYONE is the church. So using your teaching the offending brother and the...

Thanks for chiming in Ferris. Your lack of logic and knowledge are on full display. I get the gist of what you are saying about The Church making a very quick decline. But your logic makes no sense. Just because some men began to teach a false doctrine or taught something different than what...

You make absolutely no sense Ferris. YES, that passage says when a brother sins against you. Therefor we don't need to look at any other words from that passage or the passages surrounding it. Peter is Satan also....Matthew 16:23....That The passage plainly says he is! o_O