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Indeed, just as there is in 1 Thess 4:17-18 ..."encourage one another with these words". Words not of disaster and woe, but of us being gathered together to be with Christ. That is what our joy and hope must be centred upon!

Another good topic aspen! I can't say that my method is the correct one, but here's how I 'do it'! I look at a number of things. Are they a Church leader or a Politician? Are they a Christian or not? If they are a Politician and do not claim to be a Christian, I do not judge them by that...

I'm fairly sure I have never advocated watching TV preachers to gain our understanding. In fact, I'm fairly sure I've never watched a TV preacher myself. So, I think your assumption that any opinion that differs from your own is gained that way rather than by careful study of the scriptures is...

I think we will never agree on how you express yourself. But thankyou for no longer putting me in the same category as those you clearly disagree with. Because truly; I am not one of them. I think this conversation has run its course and gains nothing from going on.

Well, a couple of things here: First...I think you rather miss the point of these obviously symbolic passages. True...they are very true...don't mistake me in this. But just because something waxes on about the desert breaking forth in glorious bloom, doesn't necessarily mean that a time must...

You'll note that I said "focus" on the end...the part when Christ returns and all is well. I didn't say ignore or brush aside the rest. If we focus on what comes first without putting the solid focus on the real emphisis...the real point of our hearts desire and longing...Christs return...we...

Oh? And, can you show me where, exactly, it says this in scripture? Please do....I'd truly like to see these scriptures, showing the difference between the coming of Christ in the Rapture and the second coming. Cause it seems to me that every passage and verse that speaks of Christ's return...

I think there is a difference between being 'true' and being 'right'. All of God's word is true, obviously, but for us to understand it rightly, it cannot just be taken one verse at a time. Consider: You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. -James 2:24 We could...

It does seem hopelessly bizarre, doesn't it? I think it began with the fact that to get TO the 'crowning of humanity in paradise', the bible speaks of human history coming to a climactic end in a non-gentle way. After a while it got to the point that people were looking for those events as a...

I'm sorry, but this mentality leads to a serious error in basic exegesis. This is, essentially, what all the cults do; pull one verse, or one passage that suits their beliefs, out of scripture and waves it before the people alone. Scripture needs to be understood together. James cannot be...

Two incorrect assumptions. That I don't read scripture, and that I'm offended by you. Just because I'm standing up for myself against your rather false and incorrect statements about myself doesn't make me a snowflake that gets 'offended' by every word someone else says. You have to care about...

Well, yes. Except, one is not always privy to the life of others. Can we see the fruit of other just through the exposure we have of them via this board? Probably not. Their lives branch out into mulitple other areas. Their fruit might be growing in the home life, rather than their online life...

Yes, I think we must say that every true Christian shows this fruit. But it's a fruit borne FROM salvation. Saying that unless one shows it, salvation will not come, is putting the cart before the horse, and is not biblical; therefore dangerous.

This sounds like salvation by works to me. No heaven unless WE deal with the evils of the flesh. That means that we will have something to boast in when we get to heaven. Our arrival IN heaven will be thanks to all that mortifying that went on...take a bow. No...that's not how the gospel goes...

I honestly have no idea!!

Yes, rather shocking language, isn't it? I remember when I first came here some time back, someone got scolded for saying 'damn'. My, how the times have changed when the above language is now allowed by a professing Christian.

Hi brakelite. I have to confess from the outset that I have not read all the posts here, I'm afraid I do not have the time to wade through them all. So perhaps I am covering ground you've already dealt with, sorry. But...I do have to say, that I'm not so sure you starting premise is accurate...

So...let me get this straight. You are not angry at all, even though you call people 'BS whores, racist bigoted morons, and of Satan'. You are not out of line when you make outrageous, false claims about me that cannot be found anyhere in my posts. You think I am out of line for threatening to...

Ok...I was officially done with this conversation because you weren't seemingly willing to engage in a conversation that didn't involve active offensive language and reason. However, one feels that they must address the rather serious and blatant errors in the below post that must either come...

Wait...so...God had plans in the OT, but now in the NT he doesn't? Even though some of those bible passages I provided talking about God's plans were FROM the NT? How about these bible verses: the ones that says God never changes (Jas 1:17; Heb 13:8; Num 23:19). God's plans for redemption in the...