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Since you addressed it to him, I will let him have first crack at it. If he doesn't reply, maybe I will. According to the words of Paul, yes. The entire 4th chapter of Romans discusses that. By the way, though it speaks of Abraham's faith, its not about him offering up Isaac. You can go to...

Do you really believe that? Aspen has a long, rich history on this board including some epic battles with me. He ain't a newbie. You can google anything and I would be willing to bet at least 50% of all folks on this board have bible software on their computer or cell phone. I wouldn't be...

DPMartin said something in one of his posts that spurred a thought in me. Absolutely... The children had humbleness and were converted. Even faith I suppose. But let us not forget an undeniable truth about children: they grow up! What then? Its good to have that blind faith that a child...

Of course not. But God is going to let the Pastor know... Not the sheep. That's just a sidenote. This is a messageboard, not an academic discussion. I understand that. Furthermore I have seen some great discussions come from getting off task. So ifvthat is where the spirit takes us, so be...

Well, Aspen liked my post and gave this response: "yes! Insightful!" i figure my assumption was correct. I agree with you that a reference should've been given. But its clear what reference was being spoken of. Seriously: did you not know? Were you really clueless as to what reference...

Jesus... Children.... That's what we are discussing. Not the widow. Of course if everyone wants the conversation derailed, have at it. I for one am not interested.

This thread is about sola fide. In no way, shape or form does the discussion involve Jesus calling Peter Satan. Its totally off topic. I know exactly what Mary is trying to do and I am not going for it. If need be, I will lay it all out for anyone who doesn't understand, but I don't really...

Stranger, I knew what verses Aspen was talking about. I even gave scriptural reference in my reply to make sure it was what he was getting at. Sure, he should've mentioned the verses directly. But enough info was given to know what he was talking about. Yes, you should always give scriptural...

Aspen.... Like it. There are many small parts to your idea as I see it. First though, I assume you are speaking of Matthew 18:1-6. I agree he was talking about kids. Plainly obvious as there were kids present. He was saying we must be converted and be humble like them. So yes he was...

I don't think Marymog really believes Peter was Satan. She has a much different agenda. I just wasn't going to play her game.

See tabletalks reply. If that is not enough then the actually is plenty more. Yea... I actually know many of those verses and they don't counter grace through faith. Its your burden to tell me how those verses apply. Not mine.

There has been pkenty of conversatuon about this. James was addressing Jews who were believers but wanted to and were taught to stay under the law. You can read that in acts 15 and 21. Paul preached grace through faith works for both the Jew and the gentile. The verse, by the way, says that...

I gave you two scripural references that state otherwise. I can give more. So how is it that you say it wasn't a teaching of the Christian community? You should at least address the scripture I gave before making that claim. And what verses would those be? I gave you verses and you simply...

Could you clarify that for me? Paul's ministry was the dead in Christ (i agree) and they were under the law because Jesus fulfilled it? I am afraid I am missing something here....

They both did. Gen 17:17 and 18:12.

There are many verses written by Paul that address the issue. I am sure you know them all. The ones I have in mind come from Romans 4. Paul says if Abraham was justified by works, he could glory, but not before God. He the says that those who work the reward is not of grace, but debt. But...

I actually see what you are saying, but it doesn't make it right. I want to bring up a few points first. 1. In acts 15 and 21 we see James may habe relieved the gentiles of the Law, but not the believing Jews. 2. His letter [was to] and congregation were those believing Jews. 3. He had...

Good question and I am sure James would agree. I don't and I don't believe Paul would either. Alot of it dpends on what we are saying works are. I do believe there is a difference between spiritual works and works of the flesh. Works of the flesh are in no way connected to faith. Not even...

In regards to this quote: Understand, we don't work to be saved, we work because we're saved. I don't know if I agree with that either, Scott. It sounds like a subtile way to say works are evidence of faith, which I don't believe is true.

I suppose that's a good place to start. Were you going to give the greek definition?