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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Well there would be a need for healing “in” (I really should’ve said during instead of in) the NHNE if it is a place that is accessible to believers while the old heaven old earth still exist.
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Yea, I agree not everyone will be saved and I think that agrees with the leaves for healing being for the nations. I think we have currently come to the heavenly Jerusalem which I believe is in NHNE, so I see the leaves healing or saving the nations/Gentiles.
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    In Ezekiel 47:12 it talks about the tree of life in Revelation 22:2. In Ezekiel 47:11 it says there are miry places that shall not be healed. Where are the miry places that shall not be healed in the NHNE?
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Ok, so what is the overall order of things when you include both the saved and unsaved? Keeping in mind Matthew 13:30 where the tares are gathered first.
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Ok, my bad, I missed several of your points that you made. Let me ask you this then, what are you doing with a verse such as Ezekiel 37:26? What sanctuary is set in the midst of them forevermore? Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    I completely agree that we must look at the OT in conjunction with the NT. Where are the miry places that shall not be healed in the NHNE?
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, andyielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. There will be some kind of harm that takes place...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Ok, thanks for your thoughts. In Luke 17:30-31 when the Son of man is revealed we are to flee, the same as the fleeing that takes place when we see the AOD. However, as you quoted, in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 when the Lord Jesus is revealed vengeance follows. Putting these verses together it...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Let me remind you of a basic definition of what deception is … to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid. It appears you have either shifted your argument to deception taking place in the millennium or that people in the millennium will have such a low IQ that they won’t be...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Here, in these verses, the Son of man is revealed and in that same day the fleeing is to take place. In Matthew 24:15-20 when they see the abomination of desolation(AOD) the fleeing is to take place. How do you see the Son of man being revealed? Is it through the AOD? I see the word “taken” in...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    What are you talking about, people will still have the Bible during a Premil millennium and they won’t be deceived, so they will have the correct understanding. Which means they will know all about Satan’s little season which takes place after the millennium. Yes, of course, but the deception...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Well, here’s the problem, if there is absolutely no deception in the millennium then people will know whether they are in Gog/Magog or in the camp of the saint during the millennium. They will also know the exact day Satan will be loosed. Why would anyone remain in Gog/Magog past the last day...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    I certainly agree with the Church going through tribulation which could be viewed as great tribulation. What is your view on Matthew 24:40-41? Who is taken<3880> and who is left? Matthew 24:40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    The “rapture” = Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    If I remember correctly you think nobody will be deceived in any way, shape, or form during a future millennium and you appear to have Gog and Magog being something literal that people are going to be aware of. If your view is correct then perhaps a conversation in the millennium might go like...
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    Schemes...

    Here’s the thing, in my opinion, there is no eschatological view that doesn’t have problems. When we find something like three or four verses that seem to point in one direction while another verse points a different way, we tend to come up with rational reasons as to why that might be (I’m...
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    Where the unbelievers go when they physically die? (An Amillennial Prespective)

    Ok, let’s go back to the spirit of Samuel. Samuel was a saved person, right? And since it was possible for the spirit of a dead believer to appear to other humans, like at the mount of transfiguration, then really the only argument you have for the 1 Samuel 28 spirit not actually being Samuel is...
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    Where the unbelievers go when they physically die? (An Amillennial Prespective)

    In Matthew 17:3 it says And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Should we also conclude that it couldn’t actually have been Moses and Elias but it was some other kind of spirits masquerading as Moses and Elias?
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    Where the unbelievers go when they physically die? (An Amillennial Prespective)

    In 1 Samuel 28:19 the spirit of Samuel tells Saul tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me. If your view is correct then we must conclude that Saul was saved, Saul could not be one of the “rest of the dead” because he would be with Samuel after he died. In 1 Samuel 10:9-10 God gave him...
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    Irrefutable biblical proof that death is abolished at the second coming

    Let me clarify what I meant, interpreting “one day with the Lord is as a thousand years” as one day is always as a thousand years would be a literal interpretation. Interpreting “one day with the Lord is as a thousand years” as one day may or may not be a thousand years, it just depends on the...