Search results

God does discipline us. I never said otherwise. Sctipture tells us two things here - 1. God disciplines those who are His but they are NEVER objects of His wrath. 2. Those who are not His are not disciplined, and they ARE objects of His wrath. I am not saying that Christ refused to submit to...

Read his works on prayer.

Yes, words have meanings and we cannot redefine them. That is why I was saying there is no reason to discuss the topic. I cannot simply abide with people interchanging and redefining words to suit their theology. It is sinful. I am not blaming any of you for the doctrine you hold. But the...

It matters for two reasons. 1. God's word is not so trivial a thing that we should feel at liberty to interchange words. 2. "Wages" and "penalty" are not interchangeable ("wages" does not indicate a punishment whereas "penalty" does). This is just another example of Calvinism redefining words...

David, Read those verses again. When you say "penalty" you are (by your own admission) referring to a punishment. Paul tells us that the "wages" of sin is death. Genesis tells us that 3 tells us that man will return to the dust. Do you see how you are dishonoring the text of Scripture by...

David, You and I can talk to one another, but don't be foolish. You provided Romans 6:23 which states (as I pointed out) that the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. If you interpret that to read "God punished Jesus instead of punishing us" then I question...

LOL.... David, you can't have it both ways. Either the idea that on the cross God was punishing Jesus for our sins instead of punishing us so as to pay our sin-debt is in the text of Scripture or it is a product of systematic theology. If it is derived from systematic theology (which...

No. There is a difference. Scripture tells us God is Spirit and that the Spirit is the Spirit of God. Scripture tells us the Father is God. And Scripture tells us that Jesus is God. I can provide a verse stating each. (If you mean an expounded doctrine of the Trinity then you may be right, but...

I read the passages. Perhaps you misunderstood. I was not asking for the passages through which you would weave your theology. I was asking for passages stating what you believe. That way we can discuss the actual text of Scripture and not your ideas about the topic. Here is an example. I...

Now you are speaking nonsense. I just paid for a burger for lunch. You think the restaurant was punishing me????? I asked you to provide Scripture stating what you believe is implied. There is, of course, none. I think (hope) you realize this. There is a reason Calvinism was absent from...

I have (but to be fair, perhaps prior to you entering the conversation). The wages of sin is death. Scripture tellls us that through sin death entered the world (death was a consequence or "wage", something earned because of something else). Jesus did bear our sins, became a curse fir us...

I will rephrase - none of Scripture states what you have found in all of Scripture. This should tell you something about your vision. There is a condition worse than blindness, and that is, seeing something that isn't there. Thomas Hardy

"All of Scripture" does not work (that is what other religions, including many cults, claim). For simplicity, please quote the passage and put in bold where Scripture states that our forgiveness is based on God's work of redemption in God punishing Christ for our sins instead of punishing us...

I do not mean Calvin's teaching on baptism but Calvin's view as a whole on anti-Baptist doctrines. I know that Calvinism does not mean disciples of Calvin to Calvinistic Baptists (it means disciples of select philosophies of Calvin and those who followed in that tradition....although I doubt...

LOL....yes, you are right and that was a poor choice of words on my part. Scripture does not state that Christ ever "paid a penalty for our sins" but instead purchased us with His precious blood, that it is by His stripes that we are healed, and that we escape the wrath to come. Thanks for the...

And it is because of the freedom from sin wrought in His blood we can walk in the Light rather than abide in darkness. I am always amazed by two things present in my own life - my failures and His victory (and victories) in me.

Reminds me of John Owens quote - "Be killing sin or it will be killing you".

It was probably explained away or ignored (just as Reformed Baptists ignore or explain away Calvin's doctrine of baptism and opinion of those who affirm believer's baptism). Truth, like word meanings and history, is subjective to these guys. It's postmodernism (or post-postmodernism)...

I like the teachings of the Early Church when it comes to the penalty of sin. They focused on physical death as the penalty and Christ as deliverance through this death into eternal life. We still experience the wages of sin (death) but are saved through this physical death (through dying to our...

Not in Zechariah 13:6-7. But in both it is the will and plan of God that the Shepherd be smitten. Scripture also tells us that God presented Christ as a sin or guilt offering. God is involved. The difference is that this is not God punishing Jesus. There are no passages that state God...