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    Orthodoxy or Heterodoxy

    Contrary to the protestations of one poster on this thread, the eight points that I presented at the beginning of this thread are what I was taught as a member of the SLC LDS sect in the 70s. If those teachings have changed dramatically since I was an elder in that sect, then they should feel...
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    THE BIG QURAN THREAD i will be quoting verses. ( funny )

    True. Muslims say that God has no Son, but in the Tanakh (OT) the true God of Israel claims one. That is why there is no salvation (Yeshua) in islam.
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    Orthodoxy or Heterodoxy

    I use LDS and mormonism interchangeably to indicated the Salt Lake City sect. There are over 100 break-off sects that use the Book of Mormon, however, not all teach the same doctrines. The next largest group, the Reoganized LDS uses the same BoM, but their Doctrine and Covenants/D&C is...
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    Orthodoxy or Heterodoxy

    Some is from what I heard and was taught in priesthood meetings; Sunday school lessons, and ward and stake talks. Some of the other is from first hand experience as a member for a little over three years. Additionally, some of what used to be considered credible literature from mormon authors...
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    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    see, here's a very valid issue with that common teaching though: wouldn't Jesus, the Son of God, who IS God, have had more grace than anybody ever? of course He would've, and does. therefore, why wouldn't He have shown us how to handle the 10 Commandments with grace by not obeying them and...
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    are you one who believes every single person will be saved? if so, that's not what the Bible teaches.
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    the return of Jesus Christ .... I see two phases

    you are dividing an event that is not divided in scripture.
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    No Law : Only Grace

    the Bible does not support the myth that nobody is righteous. that verse is misused to teach the lie that nobody is capable of obeying the 10 Commandments. that is not what it means. if anything, it is referring only to a very specific group of people like the Tares. God expects us to work...
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    No Law : Only Grace

    and that way that He taught was to obey the 10 Commandments. Matt. 23:1-3 Matt. 5:19
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    No Law : Only Grace

    in Romans, Paul says that the Law still showed him his sin at that time, long after Christ's death on the Cross. apparently he felt it was still valid. 1 John 3:4 declares that the Law is still valid when it defines sin as Lawlessness. how is it we are perfectly righteous if the Bible tells...
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    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    so God goofed when He wrote them in Stone? they were kept in the Ark due to their inestimable significance not because they were to become obsolete. did God place Noah and his righteous family in the Ark because He intended for that blood line to be done away with? on the contrary, He wanted...
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    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Great post here by @Enoch111 post #4 We could now say that they are written to all humanity. The question which should be asked is this: "Why did God personally write those commandments on tablets of stone -- not once but twice -- when He could have simply dictated them?" And why were they...
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    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    and I think we're done here.
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    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    about the only thing you could do for me to take you even moderately seriously at this point is to give a salient explanation for Matt. 5:19. and knock it off with the "Bible's only for the jews" horse hockey. that is about the most desperate attempt to win a debate I've ever heard.
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    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    oh now the NT was not written to Christians. I see. you'd love it if you could completely separate Christians and the Bible altogether. your efforts only discredit you though.
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    Christ's Commandments are the 10 Commandments that He teaches, and obeys as an example, throughout the gospels ... and that HE created per John 1:1. yet you wouldn't want to specify as you have no legitimate rebuttal.
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    Saved by obeying the commandments?

    Faith is not passive, but embodies faithfulness. Before I accepted Jesus as my savior, I was not keeping God's commandments, but now that I have accepted the Gospel of Jesus Christ by faith in the fact that only He could provide salvation (while I was yet a sinner), now my lifestyle has been...
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    Orthodoxy or Heterodoxy

    Although, this is not an official doctrine of the SLC LDS sect, this is what one of their respected leaders taught about godhood. https://www.mrm.org/cleon-skousen ... Skousen’s politics aside, it was his theology that was especially troubling. His book The First 2,000 Years, published in 1953...
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    I would say a majority of Christians (church-going at least) believe this, as that is what they've been taught, but it doesn't seem to align with the Bible. this would mean that Christians become incorruptible prior to their physical death and resurrection. but the Bible teaches that we remain...
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    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    I think I understand what you're saying. but how do you explain that verse being in the Bible? Matt. 5:19 how do we explain it being in the NT? how do we explain it being spoken by Jesus? it clearly states that those who obey and teach the Commandments are considered greatest. how do we...