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I gave my understanding in the "Eternal Security" thread, post #1214. However, I will repost it here since this is a more appropriate thread for it. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called...

What if your prayers are being answered by showing you a different way to view Scripture?

Do you have any other Scriptural support to say the Father and Son are equal deities besides the opinion of unbelieving Jews who constantly misunderstood Yeshua and who would stop at nothing to falsely accuse him?

I guess that means he does not want to discuss Isaiah 9:6 APAK. :( I think you should discuss it anyway for the sake of others that need to know.

I agree they are not like any other father and son, but when it comes to the meaning of those words in clarifying their relationship, they are. Think about it Nancy; why would the Father inspire those words to be used if the normal definition of those words does not apply to Him and His Son? Is...

If the Son can be his own Father, then we have been deceived by the very Scriptures that were meant to enlighten us. YHWH chose words like Son and Father so there would be absolutely no mistaking that they are two separate beings just like any other father and son.

Even a child can understand that when a person is someone's son, then they cannot be that someone. I am my father's son which means I cannot be my father. YHWH (who you erroneously call "Jehovah" as you follow the KJV error) is Yeshua's Father. What part of Psalms 2:7 do you not understand? You...

Let's look at the context of John 8:58. It begins in verse 51 with the thought of eternal life; "If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death." The Jews thought since Abraham and the prophets were dead, Yeshua must have a devil. The context is eternal life. Then in verse 56 Yeshua says...

FYI - I am not an Arian. He was just as deceived as you in believing the Son preexisted as a divine living being. You are actually more of an Arian than I am LOL.

The key words you said were, "So in their minds, ...". In their minds, they misunderstood Yeshua which is why Yeshua had to correct them. In his mind he was NOT claiming to be God, but the "Son of God" (John 10:36). The Jews were constantly trying to find fault with Yeshua even though there was...

I agree with jbf that the translation you gave of John 8:58 was not what the Greek says or means, but a bias paraphrase. The KJV doesn't cut it either. I believe Yeshua meant that if the Jews did not believe that he "was from above" and "not of this world", they would die in their sins. By...

No, I am not one of those. Yes, the Almighty continually shines the light of truth for us. We cannot sit back thinking we have all truth and ignore what He is trying to teach us. The Comforter was given to lead us into all truth, but that won't happen if we won't receive it. I guess you will...

Only if you are a truth seeker. :)

May I ask why that is?

I read it and found nothing logical about it. Its just a mess of twisted Scriptures as you try and support the doctrines of men. You mentioned the "incarnation" several times (a word invented by men to explain a false belief). It is bad enough to say "God became a man", but it is far worse to...

I sure hope you have not joined the gang that believes I don't have the Holy Spirit. Am I misunderstanding you?

Really, YOU atone every day?? The Scriptures declare Yeshua atones for us and that we cannot atone for ourselves. How do you atone for your sins daily? By saying 5 Hail Mary's and 10 Our Fathers? By doing good works?

The SOF reads, "Disagreement with the below, we believe, places one outside the realm of reasonable orthodox Christianity." We have already established that I am in this category. The "Christian Apologetics Forum" is not designated as a "Christians only" forum. It was created so that Christians...

Thank you, ByGrace, for not giving me the run around or making judgmental comments.

This is all I see at the top of this page. I did not see it under any pull-down menu either.