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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, the ark was lifted above the earth, floating of the waters of the flood. Neither the ark nor Noah were lifted up into the sky or to heaven, whatever you believe??? They NEVER left the earth. When a boat floats upon the seas it is lifted up above the earth, but the seas the boats float on...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Sorry, I'm not sure of what you're asking?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Aren't you here to study and learn from the Word of God? If you want to learn from man, why bother coming into a forum that promotes study of the Bible?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This is NOT pretribulation, and it is physical. Paul is telling us that when the Lord comes the dead in Christ will be physically raised from the graves to immortal and incorruptible physical body, and believers still alive at His coming will be caught up and physically changed with them. This...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What are you talking about? Where did I make any mention of LOGIC? Where in Scripture might I find this pretribulation rapture spiritual event? This statement too appears odd to me. Scripture shows me that a man who is born of the SEED (Christ) is born again of His Spirit. The everlasting...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No we all don't! Yes, your analogies are a problem because they come from your own imagination and are not from the Bible.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Spiritual discernment of the Bible must come from the Bible!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Zacharias believed the prophets of Old. His expectation was that the promised Redeemer he, and all Israel had long awaited had come at last. Yes, when Christ was born, like always the nation of Israel still believed He would rule over a physical Kingdom through military might, and did not...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Oh, you want a rebuttal for what you actually say! Why? I mean you seldom, perhaps never actually rebut replies to you. Instead, you go off on some new made-up analogy, or what you believe and think that proves why you have properly understood Scripture.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Not at all!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Do you believe I am God? Oh I forgot, you don't even believe Jesus is God! Unless God the Holy Spirit in believers guides you to discern His Word, no man is able to do that which only God the Holy Spirit can! That is give you eyes to see and ears to hear beyond your physical capabilities!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Meaningful dialog comes only from faithful saints being led by the Spirit of truth! You can't prove what you allege from the Scripture because the Spirit of Christ is not guiding you, you are being led by doctrines from the imagination of man.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I cannot find spiritual discernment in anything you post! But a vivid, wild imagination can certainly be gleaned from your replies.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Israel did not exist in the days of Abraham. Yes, God Himself preached the Gospel to Abraham, a non-Jew and Abraham became the father of faithful saints whether they are Jew or Gentile. It was through this man who believed God that the nation of Israel would come, and through Israel the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I support what I allege from the Word of God. If you would do the same, you just might learn something. The problem with your method or style of study is that you are forever taking verses out of context to prove what you think, wish, or perhaps hope is true, but unfortunately you're never...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That only makes sense from the words of Zacharias if the millennial period of time began with the birth of John, born to prepare the way for the advent of Christ, whose name would be declared in the spirit of Elijah. Zacharias speaks as though the prophecy he long awaited to be fulfilled began...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You read Mt Zion and without seeking to understand where Mt Zion is, you assume it's Mt Zion on earth. The author of Hebrews doesn't believe that Mt Zion is of the earth. In fact, he tells us saints have NOT come to the earthly mount of Old but to Mount Zion, and unto the city of the living...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    How could the Gentiles in unbelief know to call upon the Lord to be saved? Until the Gospel of Christ was sent unto them, they could not believe in whom they did not know. They learned of Christ through His Gospel preached unto them. Before the advent of Christ only Israel had heard of the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I hear what you're saying, but honestly, I have learned so much from so many in these community forums. I've also learned how far apart so many of us are when it comes to rightly dividing the Word of God. I'm in my happy place when I search the Scriptures. I have thirteen years on you, and if...