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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    But where does John say the first resurrection is a physical resurrection of saints? You're trying to read your preconceived doctrine into the text. There is only ONE "first resurrection" of the physically dead, and that is the resurrection of Christ ALONE.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Take away the numbered verses to read and understand what John is saying. When John writes "This is the first resurrection" he is NOT speaking of the "rest of the dead" that will not live again until the thousand years have ended. The first resurrection is of those who are called holy and...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    There will be only one physical resurrection in the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds. That is NOT the 'first resurrection' mankind MUST have part in before they die for them to overcome the second death. In the passage below John writes of the bodily resurrection that shall...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    The first physical resurrection is already a reality. It's the bodily resurrection of Christ from the dead. Acts 26:23 (KJV) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. Revelation 1:5...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Exactly, when man is born again of the Spirit of Christ, he/she is a new creature. That is to be spiritually quickened (made alive) in Christ. The Spirit of Christ coming in us is not being resurrected from physical death. It is to have part in the resurrection life of Christ through His...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    We're pretty close in agreement here. According to the accounting from creation God says, He created man from the dust of the earth (physical form) breathed into him the breath of life (spirit) and he became a living soul. Every living breathing creature upon the earth is a living soul...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Was Paul speaking to physically DEAD bodies when he spoke these things? Of course not! So, what 'body' was Paul referring to that was DEAD because of sin? When read in context, we understand what Paul means when he says, "the body is dead because of sin". He is speaking of the one who...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Why would a human body that already possesses life need to be quickened (made alive)? Paul is not addressing corpses! It is our spirit that needs to be born again (made alive; quickened), and this happens through the power of the Holy Spirit within us the moment we believe.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    If we already have immortal and incorruptible physical body when we took part in the first resurrection, then our physical body could NEVER die. When we are born again of Christ's Spirit we are made spiritually alive, not physically immortal. Our spirit then, having the Holy Spirit within is...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I'm in complete agreement with what you've written. The only thing I would add is that I believe our PHYSICAL body (if we have already died when the last trumpet sounds) will be physically resurrected immortal & incorruptible and it will be made alive through the eternal spirit that returns...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Exactly! We have part in the first resurrection THROUGH the resurrection life of Christ. That's because we are dead spiritually, not physically in trespasses and sins and must be made spiritually alive. That's what happens through the Spirit of Christ within us. John is not saying the first...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    If mankind does not have a natural spirit, how are they physically alive? Do you think Paul is directing his words to physical corpses? In the beginning God breathed breath into the man He created from the earth. That breath is called "the breath of life" because through it Adam became a...
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    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    I danced to this tune of yours before, I won't be so foolish as to go round with you to this tune again! I would be better off speaking to the wall!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Satan's efforts to destroy God's creation was ended by Christ being obedient to death. Christ ended the power of Satan to hold man of faith in bondage to the power of death. This is how the cross of Christ spiritually bound Satan. Taking away his power to hold man of faith in bondage to fear...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The mystery hidden in ages past was that salvation according to grace through faith in Christ was now available to Gentiles as well as Jews, whosoever believes! Romans 16:25-26 (KJV) Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    This passage does not say the coming of Christ was kept secret. All the prophets foretell of His coming. The point Paul is making that none could know before the coming of Christ is how 'faith' is not of the wisdom or power of man, but of God. Had they known the wisdom of God would be made...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No further delay of what? Yes, when the seventh trumpet begins to sound the days/time/age given the Church for building the Kingdom of God (a thousand symbolic years) shall be no longer. There will not be another one thousand years to follow. The only time left shall be for Satan to have his...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    I believe the 'mystery' that had been hidden, but now since Christ made known to mankind of faith is not the prophesy of Daniel's seventy weeks or the timing for the coming of Messiah. I believe what was hidden from Old is that Gentiles too would have access to the Kingdom of God and that the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You said: "The seventh trumpet signals the time, times, half time that Satan will have left, as he will be cast down to earth." You're ignoring Rev 10 where John writes that when the seventh trumpet begins to sound there should be time no longer. You haven't explained how there can be time...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Where do you get that Satan is given time, times and half time in the Revelation???