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-- Semantics. "that we would be tortured by Him for eternity for not obeying Him" is misleading and inaccurate. Original sin sealed their fate. He was showing what they needed to do to avoid what was their fate, brought on by the actions of Adam and Eve. Jesus gave his body to be broken and...

Jesus tells us to love our enemies, but He sends His to Hell? This is not a message that is going to bring light to the world." - Aspen -- Again, Jesus said "I am the light of the world" and yes, those who do not repent and accept Him as Lord will go to hell. Are you really saying it is...

Noticed Aspen is still skipping over this one: "I am not saying Hell will be a vacation spot, but it will certainly be better then the horror of being unredeemed in the presence of a Holy God." - Aspen "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the...

"I will always promote God's true character 'big guy', despite your hell-bent desire to make Him into an immoral, irrational, punisher." - Aspen -- Again with you injecting your non-supported opinion. Have never thought that - or claimed - Jesus was an "immoral, irrational punisher." You have...

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by OUR epistle." - Selene -- You will note: "have learned." Meaning past tense. You say: "St. Paul was referring to a tradition that was taught by them by their words or by their epistle, and...

-- Amazing. You think that just because a theologic view has been held by someone or some group for 1800 years (without of course mentioning that group) that others should take it as fact. Gospel, if you will. The Bible describes perfectly the tortures and peril of hell. You have provided...

-- So....... You are saying that the Apostles themselves said we should pray the rosary, Mary didn't die or have additional children after Jesus, we should pray to Mary or the dead saints for intercession, said the mass LITERALLY turns bread and wine into the actually body and blood of Christ...

"but how many of us are willing to sacrifice our life to save an enemy?" - Selene -- I must have missed it. Where in the Bible does it say to lay down your life for an enemy?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch... Yes, we should pray for our President and elected leaders, whether we voted for them or support them. Pray that they are granted wisdom and strength so that what is best for all comes to pass. If you for some reason strongly dislike an elected oficial, you...

"You tell me. How many females priests do you see in the Bible? Name me one female priest that you see in the Bible." - Selene - How many statues were we told to kiss the feet of in the Bible? - How many times are we told we should pray to the dead saints for intercession in the Bible? - Where...

"Why do you bring up the Catholic Church when the Catholic Church has nothing to do with this thread?" - Selen -- Really? And just how many female priests are there?

"Jesus tells us to love our enemies, but He sends His to Hell? This is not a message that is going to bring light to the world." - Aspen -- Jesus said "I am the light of the world" yet during His time on earth he spent more time warning about Hell than extolling heaven. Please stick to...

"I am not saying Hell will be a vacation spot, but it will certainly be better then the horror of being unredeemed in the presence of a Holy God." - Aspen "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels...

-- blah blah blah blah what tripe. I have been reading C.S. Lewis since 1980 and have quite a library of him. "The Great Divorce" lays out his opinion well, but does not automatically make it fact. The door to hell is NOT locked from the inside. But if you can make a better argument than...

Ah yes. Another incindiary statement with no specifics designed to stir the pot. The phrasing in and of itself precludes actual open discussion on the topic. Why? Because Aspen already has written-in-stone opinions on every one of these topics and considers anyone who disagrees a...

Am curious to hear from those who say they adhere to the teachings of the Word as far as homosexuality but still believe homosexuals should be supported in doing whatever they feel they have the right to... Hawley church cuts ties with ELCA Hawley Lutheran Church will split from the...

There are countries that have or do call themselves a Communist nation, but they have never succeeded in true communism. Why? Because it involves the willful surrendering of freedom and then force being applied to keep you subjected once you realize that the surrending of that freedom actually...

There are countries that have or do call themselves a Communist nation, but they have never succeeded in true communism. But it is not for lack of trying. Eventually it required the creation of a despot at the top in order to keep the whole system running and ensure that the little minions...

"Catholics don’t have a monopoly on twisting the written Word of God, to make it say what he or she wishes it to say. From my expierance Protestant Churches may use that tools to twist the Word even more than the Catholics." - Thankful -- From your experience? So if I same that "from my...

"From what I have seen here, catholics do not place any credence on context. if a verse says what they want it to say that is good enough for them." - marksman -- It is almost painful to watch how some scripture is twisted to support certain beliefs they hold. But it seems just as clear that...