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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    That's what the bible says about the prodigal son. 17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! That has to do with learning from God. If you were not claiming to be perfect already you would know that...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    No. Brothers that trespass are not evil. Yes His son helps us do all the good works we do. Who could miss that, besides you? That is about people refusing to accept Him. (be saved) Your precept of pretending you never sin in any way is a joke. It was explained that Jesus chastises and deals...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Being saved is the gift of God. Not of works. You cannot keep yourself saved any more than you can save yourself.
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    OK lurkers here it is. The guy just claimed that any believer that trespasses is a child of the devil! Being born of the spirit does not mean the sinless nirvana instant perfection you imagine. As explained many times it means God is in us and working on us. To be saved we repent. Then we are...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Realizing we are still on the planet for awhile should not be characterized as despising salvation or being hypocritical. Pretending otherwise is foolish. Paul did what he didn't want to do and disliked it. Get in line. Pretending you are perfect is not the answer. Judgment begins at the house...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    There is a time for genuine apologies. There is also a time for forgivness of the sort Jesus demonstrated and commanded. Doesn't matter when we never die. Soon as he came to his senses and learned his lessons he was alive again! False. He judges us on works but saves us by grace. You seem to...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    False I said nothing to do with what Jesus paid for, our salvation. Yes we are to abide in the Vine to bear fruit. Works don't keep us saved either. They show we are saved, or should. If they don't, no worries, He will chastise you and get you on the right track
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    It is not blamed by God to be saved and accept His gift of eternal life. It is blamed by God not to. Accepting salvation does not mean we are in heaven as soon as we ask. Nor does it mean our body is changed into an incorruptible one yet. Neither does it mean (as Jesus repeated often) that we...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    No one said sorry to Jesus on the cross. Yet He forgave them. People who are unforgiving and demand some knee scraping apology from everyone for the tiniest of (perceived) sins take it out of context. We should go to a brother is there is a significant issue. In another place we are told it is...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    No, you are the one calling what Jesus spoke about (how believers need forgiving and trespass) being 'unrighteous' False accusation. Admitting Jesus spoke the truth and that believers do need chastising, correction and forgiveness is not 'despising the good'! But those pretending they are...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Not yet being perfect and still trespassing sometimes is not outward blame. But pretending you don't is a shame. I said we fall and get back up. If you are thinking about falling from salvation, forget about it! Believers who are saved and trespass are not sinning with the devil! They are...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    If they sin against you seventy times you think they fell down on their knees before you and repented each time? The point is that they do sin. They need forgiveness even thought saved. So how it is you do not? A brother is someone that already repented! They are not in need of salvation. They...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Jesus makes us righteous, not our works. You slandering the saved by calling them 'not righteous'. Why? Because you imagine yorself to have some mysterious secret unpostable good works. Seriously? I avoid people who think they are good actually like I avoid outhouses as a general rule unless...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Yes. The Chief Cornerstone. He is our rock and salvation and foundation that our faith rests on and nothing else. When Jesus spoke to Peter, He told Him, that upon this foundation (the fact that He was Christ) will He build His church. We build after being saved. Whatever we do (or build) it is...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    1 Corinthians 2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God 1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:10...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    I guess we would need a judge to rule there were no works at all. If we asked the Pharisees and maybe some onlookers who gave more, the widow or the rich man, possibly most would say the rich man had the better work, If we asked them about the beggar out on the street named Lazarus, they might...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    He forgave us all our sins. We are clean. Being clean in this world does not being without any trespasses at all ever in life. Jesus made that clear. We are to forgive brothers that trespass. That does not mean they are filthy dogs and rags. It means they made a mistake. Like the old bumper...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    If you never trespass against brethren why did Jesus say we should forgive you when you do? You set up a false perfection and then say that is what being a Christian means!
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    In other words if we trust God for what He said (eternal life) we are highminded? Jn 11:25,26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou...
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    We are judged by works, not by faith

    There are many men in churches today that would view works very differently. Some people would view preaching the gospel for example as extremism and illegal etc. Some churches would view extreme sin in the eyes of God, such as unnatural sexual practices and molesting the natural sexes of...