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I did not say those verse were not true. Rather you use those verses to deny what others show, so you would be the one saying the scriptures are illogical! ^_^ Here is a verse that explains how both those things are true. For he who lacks these things [virtue, knowledge, self-control...

This leaves man carnal, and the work incomplete. It is equal to the coming out of Egypt of the Israelites. Reconciliation does not mean we enter his rest, rather, it is the beginning of a walk in which man must go through trials and tribulations. One who has started this has not yet entered the...

To know is to be intimate with, Christ simply states he had no intimacy with them. The church of Laodicea, is it a church? Jesus is on the outside! ;) 19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the...

Yes, the most basic of things. Yet unless we understand it, how will we move in the right direction? :) In this thread, the aim will be to lay out the gospel, it's purpose, and discuss it. The Gospel starts at Reconciliation Romans 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time...

20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you...

So... Are you saying that those who are cut off were never grafted in to start with? ;)

Oh brother, I agree with that. I hadn't said anything about how it will be, I was talking about how we are part of the kingdom now... I guess we were both talking about the same thing, but at a different time, thus the misunderstanding. :)

Yes, and I do agree that it is the grace of God that works in us. But do you claim we don't have to cooperate? We have no choice? Abiding is not something we do, it just 'happens'? All the verses that tell us to continue, to persevere, it's just nice words to make it seem valiant? It has...

May the Lord 'deliver you from evil, and keep you from temptation', and may he strengthen you in your walk and lead you in his paths! Blessings in our Lord

Men have turned the grace of God (power working in us) into lasciviousness (free mercy given arbitrarily, by respect of persons). In our own power, it is indeed impossible, for there is nothing good that is in us. We cannot keep the law by our own strength, that is true. Thus men could...

Yes, we receive the grace without merit, as a servant receives a talent simply because he is a servant, all he had to do is show up and submit as a servant! But we would be fools to think that we have no part with doing right with that talent! 5 But also for this very reason, giving all...

I say Spiritual place and you say 'so it's just a state of mind'. :huh: I agree with much of what you say though. Here's a thought. When Paul says to some brothers who are walking in the Spirit 'you are seated in heavenly places', were they not walking on the earth anymore? They were, but...

Hmmm... So this circumcision of Timothy is similar to the account of David eating the bread from the temple! :) It shows that it is not ultimately about the law, but about love. (The law being resumed in the two commandments of love by Jesus)

What is impossible with men is possible with God. The whole good news of the gospel is that the veil is torn, and grace (the power of God at work in us) can make us overcomers. If we submit to the Lord, 'believe and repent', he will live in us. The good news is that we can be empowered! Now...

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and...

I'm sure glad Constantine got it right... If only Peter, Paul, Stephen, and all the first Christians understood that we must take up the sword, maybe we would be better off! :blink: Who are we kidding? We are called to die for our enemies and give our lives for those to whom we bring the...

Always a pleasure to share, jiggy! :) Blessings in the Lord!

Is your faith any good without works, as Baptist's teach? You see, it's a too way street. :) And I'm not Roman Catholic! :lol: I hope you take this all lightly, I am not here to take shots, but to make a point. Does it not say we will be judged by our works? We are reconciled to God...

This is an interesting thread indeed. :) Paul is wise in this, because he doesn't go according to law, but becomes all things to all men. Once we mature, we can look back and understand why a person did this, that it was not because it is what they had to do, but because WE thought so, they...

Not all are called to holiness no. Since you ask, I will lay it out, a simple 'yes and no' answer would not suffice. :) As per the book of revelations, there are two books, and two ressurections, and two judgements. The first ressurection is that of those in Christ, and there the Lamb's book...