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Jesus being the "firstborn of all creation" implies that he was created first, and he existed before all the rest of creation. So God created Jesus first, then He had Jesus create all the rest of creation. As John 1:1 says, Jesus was with God in the beginning, the beginning of God's creation...

Quite right, because the angels weren't involved in the creation. We're told who was involved in the creation in Colossians 1 (WEB): 15) who [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16) For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth...

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Err, I don't need to see those verses - I had already quoted them in my post (except for verse 50)! Yes, I agree with that (applying to Christians only). But my point was that resurrection, when God gives us a spiritual body, does not occur immediately when we die. Remember verse 23 that I...

Actually, Paul didn't say that we will receive a spiritual body as soon as we die. He said: 1 Corinthians 15: 23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s, at his coming. 51) Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be...

He quotes a verse from the Bible and you accuse him of being "an unbiblical cult member"! What kind of logic is that? :confused:

Actually there is no such thing as an atom of carbon dioxide! Carbon dioxide gas is made up of molecules consisting of one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms (CO2). Also, oxygen gas is made up of molecules consisting of two oxygen atoms (O2 - more precisely it should be called dioxygen). And...

To be immortal means that you can't possibly die. Paul talks about the dead being raised to life (so if they are dead then they can't be immortal) and then being made immortal. 1 Thessalonians 4 (WEB): 13) But we don’t want you to be ignorant, brothers, concerning those who have fallen...

Thank you, I feel honoured! :) Yes, it's all too easy to be (or appear to be) impolite and aggessive on an Internet forum. And some of the popular subjects can have a lot of contributors, so that it can be difficult to keep up. I'm persevering because I want to learn new things from God's...

However, the Scriptures say that only God is immortal (and Jesus too now) - see 1 Timothy 6 (WEB): 16) [God] who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen. Clearly Paul did not think the souls of humans...

I know the feeling! There have been pages and pages of replies in this thread since I last checked yesterday, so when I "called your bluff" I hadn't read your later responses (it's taken me all morning to get this far!). Thank you. However, I asked because I don't believe the Bible (God's...

The confusion is that places have been called hell when they are not - Tartarus is not Hades/hell. In Tartarus they were enchained by darkness - there was no light from flames. You're are confused. 2 Peter 2:4 says, "For if God didn’t spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to...

I presume you are referring to Mark 9:43-48. Jesus is there talking about Gehenna, not Hades/hell.

1 Corinthians 15:26 (KJV): The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Revelation 20:14 (KJV): And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. ... Death is destroyed - symbolically represented by being cast into a lake of fire (fire destroys). There wil be no more death. Hell is...

Okay, I'll call your bluff! Where does it mention eternal separation from God in the Bible?

This is another example of a poor translation. A better translation (e.g. WEB) says: For if God didn’t spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and committed them to pits of darkness to be reserved for judgment; This is the only place in the Bible that the word tartarus...

More on the subject from Paul in 2 Corinthians 5 (WEB): 1) For we know that if the earthly house of our tent is dissolved, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal, in the heavens. 2) For most certainly in this we groan, longing to be clothed with our habitation which...

Warning - slightly sick joke ahead ;): "They say there is safety in numbers. Tell that to the 6 million Jews!" - Ricky Gervais.

I don't think the Bible clearly says that the soul is immortal! (Ezekiel 18:4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine. The soul who sins, he shall die. (Ezekiel 18:20) The soul who sins, he shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of...

Matthew 25:46 says "eternal punishment" in all of the translations that I have, where "punishment" is translated from the Greek word kolasis, which comes from kolos, which means 'restrain, chastise, correct, punish'. According to the Online Bible Greek Lexicon kolasis means 'correction...