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  1. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    I don't think that anybody has commented in this thread that all the writings of Eusebius where he quotes Matthew 28:19 have all been corrupted. I think you must be getting confused.
  2. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    The TorahResource writer was obviously ignorant of the writings of Eusebius, who was an early witness that Matthew 28:19 did exist without the tripartiite phrase!
  3. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    It does not say, 'In the name of Jesus, I command you to be baptised', it says: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ... The written evidence would suggest otherwise.
  4. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    It would only be logical to question every verse in Matthew if you thought that every verse had been altered. But I'm only talking about one verse, so no, I don't think it's logical to dismiss all of the book just because one sentence has been altered. But we need to be aware of it and take it...
  5. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    Why do you think it is rubbish? You need to realise that the English translations of the Bible that we have are not perfect. I'm sure you must be aware that 1 John 5:7 (KJV) was a corrupted verse, so why can't other verses also be corrupted? Here's what the Cambridge Bible Notes says about 1...
  6. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    I didn't say that the verse was corrupted hundreds of years after Nicaea, I said it was corrupted sometime (probably soon) after Nicaea. The whole point of my first post (#1) was to explain how every Greek copy of Matthew we have had access to has been copied from the corrupted version(s), with...
  7. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    Well it seems that what was attributed to the Catholic Encyclopedia II was actually meant to be for Britannica Encyclopedia 11TH edition. I think it's a bit complex, and difficult to deduce that "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy...
  8. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    :D I meant preserved in that we have copies of all books of the Bible, even if we don't have copies that are thousand of years old. The Israelites did a very good job of copying the words of the Old Testament Scriptures accurately. Christians, however, have not been so fastidious, and there...
  9. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    No, because I didn't quote from those pages - they were brought up by other contributors to this discussion. Again, I wasn't using that source in my original post, it came up later in the confusion over what the Catholic Encyclopedia II did or didn't say on page 263. The fact that Encyclopedia...
  10. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    The words have been preserved, even if the original first handwritten parchments have been lost. In the same way, all of the Bible has been preserved even though the original first handwritten documents have been lost. It is revealed - you can find it on the Internet for free! My first name...
  11. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    The implication was that because the Catholic Church knew that the Jews had preserved a copy of the original Gospel of Matthew in the Hebrew language and that they (the Church) had corrupted their Greek manuscripts, that they were deliberately concealing the truth. How many members of the...
  12. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    It seems that the Jews had a copy of Matthew's Gospel in Hebrew (and Matthew may have written his Gospel first in Hebrew, and either later wrote a Greek version or somebody translated it from Hebrew to Greek), which they studied and used in their arguments against the Christians. Most Christian...
  13. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    I think that Acst 19 is interesting: 1) While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul, having passed through the upper country, came to Ephesus, and found certain disciples. 2) He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They said to him, “No, we haven’t even heard that there...
  14. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    Yes, I found several web pages which claim that the Catholic Encyclopedia II, page 263, says "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century", but it's clearly not there (you can check here -...
  15. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    But as I quoted from The Encyclopedia of Religion & Ethics concerning all Eusebius' writings, “The facts are, in summary, that Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19 21 times, either omitting everything between 'nations' and 'teaching’, or in the form 'make disciples of all nations in my name', the...
  16. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    BroRando's quote was from chapter 6, which is titled "Against Those who think that the Christ of God was a Sorcerer" (see Eusebius of Caesarea: Demonstratio Evangelica. Tr. W.J. Ferrar (1920) -- Book 3 - search for the line beginning (132)). He finished the paragraph with: "What similar daring...
  17. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    I wasn't aware of the term Trinity being used before 381 A.D. I still think it's supsicous that nobody thought at the Council of Nicaea to mention the Trinity, after 2 months of debate, if the whole point of that Council was to decide on who Jesus was, and his relationship to God. This would...
  18. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    This seems suspicious too. It mentions "the name of the Trinity", but the Trinity wasn't officially formulated until the Council of Constantinoble in 381 A.D., 130 years later. (The Council of Nicaea in 325 AD declared that God and Jesus were a duality, with the pagan Roman emperor Constantine...
  19. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    You obviously didn't read my first post, which includes: “As having learnt by tradition concerning the four Gospels, which alone are unquestionable in the Church of God under heaven, that first was written according to Matthew, who was once a tax collector but afterwards an apostle of Jesus...
  20. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    Matthew 28 (WEB): (19) “Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you”. When I was baptised, about 27 years ago, I was insistent that I should be baptised in...