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  1. keithr

    The 144,000 in Revelation 7

    That is not what Revelation 17:8 says!: "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they...
  2. keithr

    The 144,000 in Revelation 7

    Indeed. God's promise to restore the nation of Israel was fulfilled in 1948, and Jews have been returning to the land of Israel ever since, as prophesied. So clearly the seed of Israel does still matter to God. Ezekiel 37 (WEB): 15) Yahweh’s word came again to me, saying, 16) “You, son of...
  3. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    And in the nursery rhyme there were three blind mice. It does not mean that there must be three persons making up God! So what? Aaron says Jehovah will bless, keep, shine His face upon, lift His countenance upon, and give peace to thee. That's five things. Repeating God's name three times...
  4. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Actually Joseph simply obeyed God - he did what the angel had told him to. He wasn't acting by faith, he had a personal message from God - it doesn't take much faith (belief) when God speaks directly to you! Mary and Joseph were both instructed to name him Jesus (Yeshua), which means 'Yahweh...
  5. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Note that Jesus says that his father is our God, and that he knows God. Therefore Jesus is not claiming to be God, he's claiming to be God's son. Plain and simple to understand - no hint of a binity let alone a trinity here! Or a better translation into English would be, "Most assuredly, I...
  6. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Well not Jesus, obviously, and not people (especially those preaching the Gospel because the Gospel hadn't been revealed at that point). From the context of the passage, from verse 4 to 14, Paul is comparing Jesus with the heavenly angels. If you read the passage then it will be obvious that...
  7. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Indeed, that should be the case. Actually you asked 5 questions. The first seemed rhetorical and sarcastic, and I commented on it by saying "It's irrelevant to whether or not the Bible does or does not teach or support the Trinity doctrine". I then answered your more serious questions. It...
  8. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    But that does not mean that Jesus and his Father are the same person, nor that they are a team or partnership who collectively claim to be our God (and there's definitely no indication of a threesome in that statement). The verse that you quote is John 10:30. Note the immediately following...
  9. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Deuteronomy 6:4 - (TLV) “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (WEB) Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one. (ISV) "Listen, Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone. (GNB) "Israel, remember this! The LORD—and the LORD alone—is our God. So I understand it to mean that...
  10. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    That's the wrong reference - it should be John 8:24. No, he is not saying that he was Yahweh, he was saying 'if you don't believe that I am who I say Iam, then you will not have your sins forgiven before you die'. He could not be claiming to be Yahweh/Jehovah because the very next verse says...
  11. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    If someone was to say "You should listen to Biden, the only true President of the United States of America", then I would interpret that to mean that Biden alone was the President. If there are other people claiming to be President then from what was said I would conclude that they were not the...
  12. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Actually it is saying that! You need to start at verse 1. Jesus was speaking to his Father, so in verse 3 when he says "you, the only true God" he is effectively saying, "Father, you are the only true God": 1) Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the...
  13. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    That chapter is referring to Jerusalem and the nation of Israel. I don't think it is referring to the Messiah. It may be alluding to the new Jerusalem mentioned in Revelation 21.
  14. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    APAK's response was to my reply, so I presume you include me in the "They" that you're referring to. However, I have never claimed that the "Word was God" is symbolic. I may have claimed that it's not the best translation of the Greek manuscript text, but that's not the same as saying it's...
  15. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    I have always (well, for about 27 years, and in all my posts on the topic in this forum) argued against the Trinity doctrine, and I have definitely never claimed that Jesus and his Father were the same being! You must be confusing my replies with somebody else's. I do believe though that the...
  16. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    All verses of Scripture will be in harmony if we interpret them in the correct way, and may not harmonise if we interpret them incorrectly. So John 17:5, along with the other verses I mentioned, indicate that Jesus was alive long before his human birth, especially John 8: 56) Your father...
  17. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Err, hang on a minute! I made a comment that I didn't agree with your statement that Jesus did not exist before the earth was created, and I quoted a couple of verses to support why I disagreed. Your reply to that also included references to other verses (Eph 2:15, Acts 2:33,38, 2Cor 5:17, Gal...
  18. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Why do you assume that I've not taken the verses seriously? That's insulting! How about if I also include Ephesians 3:9 (WEB): and to make all men see what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ; (although it...
  19. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    The following verses tell us that Jesus (the Word) did exist before the earth was created, because he created it: John 1:1-3 (REB): In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God's presence, and what God was, the Word was. He was with God at the beginning, and through him all...
  20. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    I'm surprised that you cannot understand such a simple thing as this! If the USA president sends troops to save some Americans being persecuted in a foreign country, then the president will be regarded as their saviour, because it was his decision and orders that it be done. The troops that...