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When He returns TO the earth after the Tribulation. Not when He raises the believers of all ages. You won't be able to support that claim.

It is not so much what you believe or debate that is the issue. Only the religious terms you use for it that are not in the bible. Just be clear. Do to! 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount...

Not the the earth! Bet the farm on that one. Not ALL the way to earth! Just to the air above where we meet Him. yes where heaven is that place beyond where the stars are, He will come all the way down over the little heavens over this planet! There we meet Jesus and then return to His Father's...

No He judges after He returns TO earth. Not when we go to meet Him in the air. The months and days during the tribulation till the end are known. When the Rapture will happen is NOT known. Different events. Not sure when you think that is. Since you conflate the Rapture with the return to...

Ok so you are claiming that somehow Jesus plops down on earth while all believers go into the air. That makes no sense and does not fit any prophesy about the end time. Notice the bible says we will be where He is? If we go UP in the air, does that not tell you something? We go to be where He...

Yes. Is there some point about it you want to make? Hopefully you didn't think He came right down to the earth when He descended from heaven?

I agree. It took awhile to focus on what the poster was saying and I said what you said later. Tks

In your head maybe. Except, no He didn't you made that up So in the end time, after the Rapture in particular, many will claim Jesus is here somewhere. That is a warning. Obviously it will be a lie. No connection to the issues at hand here. Focus.

I do not apply His wrath. He does. That is your personal doctrine and interpretation. The whole end time centers around Israel and Jerusalem and Jews! The 144,000 witness, Israel invaded, most of them killed etc etc etc. Not sure what phantom or spirit Israel you have in mind. The church is...

Of course they don't. Jesus does not descend at the rapture either. We ascend! And since the bodies of the believers are rasised to the air, any saints who may be with Jesus in the air could not have their bodies raised yet. We shall be like Him. It seems to me that whhen we die and go to be...

No. Those folks go up in the air to be with Him. When we die our spirit goes to be with God. Our dead bodies don't. The time when the dead bodies rise up in the air is the same time our live bodies rise up and we all go to be with Jesus. Later, we return to earth with Him from heaven in our new...

The only thing it is proof of is that when God sics Satan on the world the old boy is mad as a wet hornet. All part of the wrath of God. Undeniably. Another wrong claim. The Bride is with Jesus at the time of the wrath on earth. So you totally miss the purpose and nature of end time prophesy...

The air is actually above the earth! That is where we meet Him. Not on a cruise ship.

Nope. He comes to bring us up into the air, starting with the dead in Christ whose spirits He brings with Him at the Rapture! They have their bodies raised and like us receive an eternal body like He has! That is before the second coming, so you know where you can place your false accusations. I...

The dead in Christ did die! Then they were raised as we who were alive at the time also were. We then return to the earth with Him as where he is there will we also be. We then rule for 1000 years.

No. The Rapture, the gathering of the church into the air including the dead in Christ is what kicks off the day of the Lord. The wrath of God is not something we are to be part of.

The last hour is not the day of the Lord! The day of the Lord starts with the Rapture and includes the 1000 years.

Yes, we are coming back with Him. Do not pretend that because Satan has wrath in the tribulation, that that trumps the fact it is God's wrath and Satan is only part of that. The Rapture. Correct. Very comforting to know Jesus is coming to take us out before He takes them out!

Irellevant. A wet hornet might also have some wrath in that time. That no more makes the Great Tribulation the 'time of the hornet's wrath' than it makes it the time of Satan's wrath! Sure, both have wrath, whoopee doo. Those demon like creatures coming out of the pit at that time probably also...

The day of the Lord is a lot more than that. There are oodles events in that time of wrath, not just the day Jesus comes back to earth! Old men will not see visions only on the day Jesus returns! His Spirit is not poured out only the day Jesus returns! Signs will not only be the day Jesus...