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  1. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:5-10

    As I referenced in reply #82, it's from Revelation 20: (Rev 20:4) I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and...
  2. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:5-10

    Genesis 2:17 says nothing about a "second" death. It simply states, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die", where "thou shalt surely die" is more precisely translated "dying thou shalt die" (KJV footnote). And that is what happened. The very day they ate the fruit...
  3. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:5-10

    Nothing that I wrote denied the second death, nor the consequences of our sins! Daniel 12:2 is referring to the resurrection, and some of those who are resurrected "to shame and everlasting contempt" will suffer the second death. In Mark 9:1 Jesus says, to his disciples and "the multitude"...
  4. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:5-10

    That's a very poor paraphrase, that changes the meaning. There is no mention of whether those standing there were saved or not saved. It also doesn't say they will die when they see God's kingdom being established, nor that this will be at the time of judgement. It does say that they won't...
  5. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    How do you interpret (in bold), "But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves"? You need to take it in the context of the whole of the preceding chapter (chapters and verses were invented hundreds of years after the...
  6. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    Paul says at the end of the preceding chapter (8 verses earlier - it's part of the same message): (2Cor 3:18) But we all, with unveiled face seeing the glory of the Lord as in a mirror, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord, the Spirit. God works in...
  7. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    Yes, I agree with you. Yes, I agree again. As I typed it I was thinking that really it means that those begotten again would try to not sin, but we are still imperfect while in these fleshly bodies so inevitably we do sometimes still commit sins. Perhaps I should agree that our salvation is...
  8. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    The previous verse (v6) says: "seeing it is God who said, “Light will shine out of darkness,” who has shone in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." So is it the "the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" that is...
  9. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    I have understood this as I wrote in reply #19: In Israel boys were no better off than servants until they came of age, only then they were adopted as sons. Only at that point did they have the freedom, rights and privileges of a son and could inherit their father’s property. This is what the...
  10. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    We have been begotten again to become a new creature in Christ. The earthern vessel is our fleshly (human) body. The "treasure" is the embryonic new creature that will be born in the resurrection: "For our citizenship is in heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ...
  11. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. Although it actually says "predestined us for adoption", not "chosen us for adoption"! By implication you cannot become a child of God without first having been saved from death. It doesn't say that we are already adopted as children; it says that we...
  12. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    I think there may be some confusion between "chosen" and "saved". All of mankind have been saved by Jesus' sacrifice, that is they are saved from the penalty of sin, which is death. Hence everyone is to be saved from death and will be resurrected to life again. However, during this Gospel age...
  13. keithr

    Your Thoughts: 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4

    I wrote this article about 8 years ago (based on a seminar by Chuck Missler), which I think answers that question: Christ’s Inheritance As Christians we are truly greatly blessed by God! We are not blessed because we are more deserving than others nor because of anything we have done. God’s...
  14. keithr

    I have a confession to make

    Here's a link to a video about the resurrection of Jesus, titled 'The Resurrection - Hoax or Hope?'-
  15. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    I couldn't find that in the Bible. I don't think you should claim that Jesus said something if it's not in the Bible and you're not quoting the reference. That is deliberate deception. Here's a video that I think it would be useful for you to watch, titled 'Doctrines of Demons - Part 1' -
  16. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    The Emphatic Diaglott New Testament translates it as "In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word". The Good News Bible translates it as "Before the world was created, the Word already existed; he was with God, and he was the same as God." Jesus more...
  17. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    In addition to what I wrote about John 8:58 above, note also the following examples of other people speaking the words "ego eimi", and translated as "I am": (Mat 8:9) For I am also a man under authority, having under myself soldiers. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and tell another...
  18. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    I have already pointed out that I have commented on the above verses in another thread, but as you seem too lazy to go and read that I'll respond in this thread to make it easier for you: John 1:1 In order to be sure that we have the correct interpretation of any Bible verse, our interpretation...
  19. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    Continuing... It doesn't say God in another form. In context again: 2) make my joy full, by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3) doing nothing through rivalry or through conceit, but in humility, each counting others better than himself; 5) Have...
  20. keithr

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    So was I! To try to make it clearer for you, as you don't seem to be paying attention to the details, the words in bold below should be discarded (KJV): (1Jn 5:7) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1Jn 5:8) And...