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1 John 3:23,24 says the Command of God is to believe in the Name of God's Son. When a command is given, what corresponds to it is obedience or disobedience. Accordingly, Galatians 5:7 describes faith as "obeying the truth". Accordingly, Ro 1:5 says "obedience of faith". Ro 3:27 says "the Law of...

So, before, "oh, no, these 'children' are not believers at all", but, now, after I proved they were believers, "oh, no, just because they're told to do something doesn't mean they have a choice"--you really are funny.

You said : I said : You said : I said : So, just because we're saved from slavery to sin doesn't mean we can't sin. Romans 7 described the life of a Jew in the flesh and under the Law. 1. "when we were in the flesh" : i. "we" : he's speaking to and about Jewish Christians (Ro 7:1) before...

The branches, disciples, are told to abide--and, if not, they don't receive substance from the Vine, Jesus (the Spirit, eternal life, is in Jesus (1 Jn 3:23,24, 5:11)), so they don't bear fruit, and will eventually be thrown in the fire, and "'My Righteous one will live by faith, but if [My...

Reread what I said. I denied that the saved were slaves. You're not reading carefully.

Nope. Or else the children wouldn't be warned to abide.

No, after David sinned with Bathsheba, he cried "don't take Your Spirit sway", and Paul says the same, "He who disregards this [prohibition on immorality] disregards not man but God Who gives you His spirit". Clearly, it's a threat that if you don't keep God's Word about immorality, He will stop...

You are off topic.

No, salvation was typed by the Jews' deliverance from Egypt (1 Co 10)--Jesus is "our Passover Lamb". Egypt was called "the house of bondage", where they were slaves to sin. Being a slave to sin is a condition where there was no choice but to sin (eg, Ro 7), but that doesn't mean people cannot...

I don't want to address this because everyone has an opinion, which will invite lots of discussion, and I'm trying to have a different discussion.

I don't want to go down this rabbit trail

No, that's not the picture or the language in john 15. Abiding is CONTINGENT on keeping His Word and commands, and branches that don't abide get thrown in the fire.

@CadyandZoe Irrespective whether you want to quibble about "in Him is no sin", etc, we can known that we abide in Him by keeping His commands (Jn 15:5-10; 1 Jn 3:23,24).

You believe in eternal security? LOL Surprise.

And we've been through all my responses to these claims, and you've come up short in terms of answers. You are not of assistance in the matter, because, the way I see it, I'm believing ALL Scripture, whereas you are highlighting a couple of your favorite verses as your entire religion. Your way...

Well, see, that's part of the discussion--these and many other particulars, but always based on Scriptures, have had to be hashed out.

When people read the Bible, and they see that there must be good works after God's mercy (eg, "bear fruit in keeping with repentance"), and that this is not guaranteed, then questions come, because it seems contradictory, so there have had to be solutions.

The characterization, the tenor, of keeping the Law of Faith (ie, "each man is to be fully convinced in his own mind") is "giving thanks" (Ro 14:6; Heb 13:15)--if it is not "giving thanks", then something is deadly wrong.

These people we're talking with (Behold, CadyandZoe, EternallyGrateful, MailManDan, etc) know God, and, (some moreso than others) many times, they mean well, but this discussion is, for me, all about being in exact keeping with everything that is written... and, yes, it is taking a long time...

So, there is a problem : according to John 15:5-10 and 1 Jn 3:23,24, we abide in Him by keeping His commands (i. believe in the Name of God's Son, and ii. love one another)--seemingly offering the only satisfactory explanation for how the one who sins "is condemned" (Ro 14:23), yet "no...