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  1. Naomi25

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    What on earth are you talking about?? I have admitted it numeous times. I have even started a thread called Amillennialism, explaining how I see it and why I arrived at it, plotting out all the biblical passages that led me there. If you think that Ive been attempting to hide it like some little...
  2. Naomi25

    Dreams

    This was clearly the birth of the Church. The Disciples, of whom Peter was refering, and those who gathered among them and were saved that day...the Jews...became part of the Church. Remember Paul, who spent so much time breaking down that 'wall'? It may have been spoken originally to Israel...
  3. Naomi25

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    Says the person who's inconsistencies go before him. You berate those who use numbers symbolically in Revelation claiming they never are, but then admit that 12 clearly is. You also say that "the DAY of the Lord" is not a strict 24 hour period, but a long period of time used for God's purposes...
  4. Naomi25

    Dreams

    Hi Aspen.Yeah...I've had one or two. Never what I would call prophetic or anything, but clearly spiritual in nature, where God has put out his hand in incouragement or protection. To those who wonder what the bible says on such matters....I'd start with: For these people are not drunk, as...
  5. Naomi25

    Needing fervent prayer

    @Nancy Praying for you and your dear friend!
  6. Naomi25

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    Again, that is pure supposition, without any possible way of proving it one way or the other. And...I'm unsure whether it matters. If God "shows" John something via a dream, vision or in the flesh....? So? He still saw all the images, symbols etc God wanted him to see and write down and pass...
  7. Naomi25

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    Hi Trekson...sorry I didn't see your reply sooner...I'm usually running low on time, so I just look for the 'alerts' and don't often have time to just browse. So...thanks for the sholder tap! I'm fairly sure I've been over this before with you, but I'm happy to do so again. The reason why 'the...
  8. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Seriously? I can't decide if you honestly believe that, which would put you in the solidly deluded camp, or if you're just bluffing wildly. Either way, like I said, all anyone has to do is look back through all your posts and tally up the number of times you put forward your own opinion as "nuff...
  9. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    If you think that it's a 'sneaky skill' trying to point out that we always need to bring our opinions back to the word of God...then sure...I own up to that. I suppose the question would be...why aren't you on board with it as well? You think I try and "talk around things", but how is pointing...
  10. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    It's got nothing to do with skill or not. It's got nothing to do with what I think of myself either. What its got everything to do with is your ability to present a rational argument that is backed by scripture. Not your own opinion or the moxie to stand behind empty words and bravado it out...
  11. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Really? You've proven there is two Raptures? To do that, you would have to take the verses that actually speak of the Rapture event...say...1 cor 15:51-55, 1 Thess 4:16-17 and Matt 24:30-31, and prove that they were speaking of DIFFERENT events. The problem with that is that they don't specify...
  12. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Oh...I'd just love to see you try and prove that biblically.
  13. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    This might be a validation of your doctrine if the first resurrection in Christ's second coming. However, your problem is that scripture points to the first resurrection being either new birth in Christ, or that moment of death when our spirits go into the presence of the Lord. Either way, that...
  14. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    How can I be both biblically illiterate and have been taught to scrap scriptural evidence? I'm tired of playing word tag with you, we're not coming to any real conclusions and I simply do not have the time to spare on the long posts required to answer. Let's agree to heartily disagree.
  15. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    If you will recall, I said two things: that indeed, when it comes to Christ, or the Holy Spirit within us, they cannot be corrupted. I also said that, per the scripture below, the Church as a whole is also considered 'the temple of God'...and in that respect, the angle changes considerably...
  16. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Again, let me check what you are saying: mortal is in, if dead, ceases to be? As in, if one does NOT accept Christ, their 'mortal'...soul, ceases to be upon death? Because, if that's what you're saying, the reason "im not aware" of it, is because it's not biblical. For example: The poor man...
  17. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Curious. I would think that if Christ meant "my Kingdom is not of this time" he would have said it like that. He could have even been more specific for your purposes, I suppose...'my kingdom is not of this present earth'. 'My kingdom is not of this age', 'my kingdom is not of this old earth' (as...
  18. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    You "know" there is 1000 years prior to the Great White Throne Judgement how? You've admitted previously that Revelation is not all chronological. You say above that there is only one coming of Christ. Matt 25 says that "when he comes, then" he will sit on his throne and judge. About the only...
  19. Naomi25

    Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic

    hi Trekson...finally found some time! Because this topic is potentially going to lead to some very in-depth theological discussions, I think, for this first post, I'm just going to address your post and how I see what you've written. The problem I see with going through 'generalities' as you...
  20. Naomi25

    When to look for the rapture of the church

    Ha...sorry, no! I hope to this afternoon. How do people find the time to post so much here, I wonder? Maybe I'm just lousy at time management....