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I think that the very fact that the Church began with mainly Jewish believers tells us that 'the church' in the NT, and now, is but a continuation of the 'elect'...those true believers of Israel (those who were of faith, like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and David). Gentiles have not displaced or...

Uh, hmm. Did you notice how many times that article mentioned "like", or "analogous", or "parallel to". It's almost like me saying that our relationship with Jesus is 'like' a marriage...that the symbol of marriage is 'analogous' to the relationship between Christ and the Church...or that, said...

Ha! Australian! Not a huge Steve Irwin fan...the guy was a bit of a muppet. Respect to him for doing what he loved, though. As for the actual marriage etc...I'm not sure there NEEDS to be an actual ceremony. I mean...don't we say that, in reality, the union between man and wife (still leaving...

Well, I suppose we're not really going to see eye to eye on this. Because where you see scripture saying people will depart, I see it also saying quite clearly that once 'in' Christ, they cannot be 'out of' Christ. In other words...if we don't 'earn' our salvation, how are we to 'un-earn' it...

Agreed. It comes down to who you are relying on to get you through said horrible things? There is no way people could have endured being burned alive, eaten by lions, used as human torches, tortured brutally...and what's more...going willingly to such execusions, if it were under their own will...

Thanks for taking the time to reply to this. I'll try to really go through it without prejudice. Okay, I can see this in Rev 20:11-15. I will agree that in Revelation when we see 'thrones' it is always in Heaven, and that the passage tells us that those in the Lambs book of life are being...

Crikey! What sort of a 'marriage' did you think I was talking about? :eek: Let me assure you....I most certainly AM only talking about marriage and 'bride' as symbolic representations of the whole idea. Not actual. Actually...I did come across a dude once who thought it was going to be a...

I think you underestimate what constitutes a true Christian. "Will I endure during times of silence?" I already have. Not that I have suffered the sort of things that many of our brothers and sisters overseas have, but my life is not what you would call easy. And there are many times that God...

Ok, here's the thing. Dispensationalists say that this 'wrath' that is being spoken of here is not the wrath that comes upon those unsaved at the judgement seat, but more of a...uh...pre-wrath, wrath. I'm just wondering how you prove that, please? This is a legitimate question. To me, it seems...

So...what you're basically saying is...you think the Christians of Western society could not handle what the Christians of the persecuted Countries are going through? Because...why? The Spirit within us isn't as strong as the Spirit within them? We got Christianity lite? Here's the thing. You...

Um. No...neither do I think Christ and the Father are married to each other. Did I imply they were? I don't think I did. You say: "The type of unity we should have with Christ and each other, echoes the unity we should have in a marriage".....yeah...this has been my point all along. This has...

As great as it sounds, and as worthy a cause as it may be to try and pull all Christians together as they were in the beginning, I'm not sure it is possible this side of heaven. Back then, when it was new, there were not many Christians, and when they had a doctrinal question, they asked...those...

I love it when people quote Matt 24 or Luke 21 and say "the signs Jesus says about the last days are happening!" They seem to conveniently forget what comes after those signs... For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars...

Yeah...I don't really think the context of that parable has anything to do with the Church's relationship with Christ. It's more to do with Discipleship and how we see ourselves and others; how we treat them. This will, of course, be reflected in the final judgement...our rewards, etc. But, as...

Regardless of the english lesson, my point still holds: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. -1 John 2:19 There are plenty of nominal...

Snort! Well, I imagine so! But, I don't think, in the actual situation, that God will let us misunderstand the situation...we'll know where we are supposed to go, be that head table or guest table! And really, I'd be chuffed with either one. Who wouldn't? It's not like when the time comes anyone...

I've tried that. I do my best to give scripture and try to exegete it; you give bizarre comments, chase your conversational tail and often come out with heresy. All in all, it doesn't go well, for me or for you, or for anyone else in the vicinity. So...I'm not sure why I'd be keen to go back there.

So...we could be the bride, the guests, or the kids. I think I might stick with the 'Bride'...I think I see more biblical evidence for it. But that's just me, I'm not particularly concerned what others think!

Did I say Christ has forsaken us? What he has given us, is his Spirit. That was his promise to remain with us. You cannot deny that 1: he said he was 'going' (John 14:2-3, 16:7) and 2: that he actually went (Acts 1:9-11). And it is also just as clear that the point of his going was so he could...

I know we've already been into this, so I won't go right into it. I suppose the one thing I did just want to point out quickly is this verse by Paul: In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh...