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Ok, here I go! So, I would start here: For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then...

As these questions are similar, I'll answer them together. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be...

I would disagree with that, I think there is ample proof. I can give them if you'd like.

I am unsure of which 'before' you are speaking of, as my opinion of the Rapture has not changed. I believe the bible clearly speaks of one, I just disagree on the timing of it. Um...forgetting that I'm struggling to make grammatical sense of that sentence, I think I could prove you wrong. I...

Didn't I just say that I did believe in a Rapture? Once again you ignore what IS said just because it doesn't line up with what you want it to say. How "dispensationalist" of you. Flinging accusations and opinions without any bible to back it up. If "amillennialist" means I follow an idea...

So...your whole argument relies on the fact that the restrainer must be taken completely out of this world. Done. Gone. Absoulute? And you are arguing for it to be the HS because he is omnipresent? Are you not seeing how this just doesn't work? The HS IS God. God IS omnipresent. Even if we say...

How does the necessity of Omnipresence factor into this? The passage speaks of the restrainer lifting his hand so that "the lawless one" may come, but that the 'mystery of lawlessness is already present'. So...the restrainer is not presently restraining all lawlessness. And he will not, at some...

This is a valid question and even a reasonable outcome to it. I'm certainly not advocating that it's NOT the Holy Spirit. It most likely is. But the text doesn't say it, and I feel therefore hanging a MUST on it, especially when that must becomes a "the HS has to leave WITH the Church", then the...

So, your admittedly vague post -that way because it had nothing to do with me - was still in no way an attempt to tell me to butt out? If it wasn’t to me or for me, why on earth did you take the time to reply to me at all? You could have simply ignored me and it would have been done! :rolleyes:

Sorry if I mistook you...I did my darn best to understand the post. As I said, I found it a little hard to grab hold of as it seemed a bit...vague.

You are putting a condition upon God, which I don't think wise, or biblical. Could the restrainer be the Holy Spirit? Of course. It might even be the most likely choice. But the HS is NOT the only option. In Rev 20 an angel binds Satan. Does anyone think this angel does this under his own...

I agree, it IS a vital question, and in such matters it is always essential to go back to what the scriptures say. In the issue Enoch and I were talking about, 2 Thess 2, we see that it says this: And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery...

Hi Davy. I'm wondering if perhaps we are getting some wires crossed. I am not a Dispensationalist, and I do not read things through Dispensationalist glasses. The answer you were commenting on above, was me attempting to point out the flaws in Dispensational thinking. So...actually, we agree. I...

I'm afraid you've lost me abit. I gather 'the one critical' is probably me. Is the 'other poster' you, or the one you were speaking to? That's a little vague. Overall, however, I think your point was 'butt out', which, while a lovely way to respond on a site that is for entering into a...

Personally, I think the implication is "supernatural wonders", rather than technological ones. I believe technology will be used by the governmental order in support of AC and against the people of God, but any true "wonders" will be of the supernatural kind. I also see the passage as saying...

Well, actually, I think you are. You said, in post #132, "I do not really know anyone with "grace" in their name speaking of having studied in depth any particular topic. And when I say Indepth, I mean months, of researching every word in scripture that applies to the topic, and what it means...

Do you really believe that? I think I've lost count of the times I've asked you to back up your claims and ideas with actual scriptures. Or asked for you to show how the scripture you have given can possibly be shown to say what you are claiming it does. Usually that is met with more derision...

The problem with this, is that a lot of the time Dispensationalists refuse to track the implicit thought through scripture. Saying that the bible teaches ‘implicitly’ a Rapture, and the whole system that fits around it, and then being persistently unwilling to track that doctrine out for those...

I’m sorry, but, aren’t you making rather an assumption here? Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean they have not done as you have and devoted considerable time and effort pouring over scripture and seeking God about it.

When it comes to end times, the passages are unspecific enough to mean that at some point we must make a few assumptions to base our conclusions on. I think all anyone can do is attempt to do so in a manner that fits all the passages best, leaves the least questions and makes the least...