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. I suppose you do have scriptural evidence to support this statement? And before you use Rev 4 as your evidence, you can't prove the identity of the the Elders in Chp 4 by using Chp 4 to prove the identity of the Elders. That again is circular logic. This is the exact reason that God said...

Oh there was one more thing that I forgot to address. The answer is so simple, I kept forgetting to put it into my posts. The 24 elders are the saints that make up the church. Do you think that just because we get to Heaven we will stop praying. The prayers that we are bringing to the...

Sorry I was right in the middle of typing up my reply so it came off not as I intended. I really do apologize if I seemed to be broad stroking all Christians. I did not mean to, and if that is the way that I came off, please allow me to make a real heartfelt apology. But there are quite a...

Texus, I noticed that you didn't include any scripture to support your claim. Allow me. Eph 1:11-14 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the...

Then let's get down to brass tacks.. Since you love demanding that I give evidence I shall, and I will hold you to the same standard. Now as far as Matthew, Luke are concerned. Both of these statements were made to the Jews before the Church was even established. The Mystery of the church...

Has anyone considered the fact that just because it is lawful in the eyes of the United States does not meant that is right in the eyes of God. Abortion is legal in the United States. But that doesn't make it right. We all struggle with sin. I may not struggle with Homosexuality, but I do...

Ok it seems as if we are going around in circles. I do see your points, but I don't accept them. I do not believe in a partial rapture, and I do not believe that the 24 elders are angels, for angels are never said to wear crowns. Since these elder's are wearing crowns they can't be angels...

Allow me to comment on some of your points. Must as the entire church is said to be made up of Kings and Priests, wouldn't you say? Just because the lamb is shown as standing does not mean that Jesus is not right now sitting at the right hand of the Father. Col 3:1-4 1If then you were...

noselfwilling, Sorry I do see a rapture happening Rev 4.1 when John is caught up. I do realize that you do not accept this as such. but I disagree with your interpretation. Let's look at just one of the reasons that I believe this. Take the phrase, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what...

That Jesus was God. Joshua David

It depends on who you are judging, and what they are being judged for. As in the scriptures that I provided, Paul judged the Christians in the church at Corinth because they allowed a man to have his father's wife. He judged them for not judging that person. So when you are doing something...

Duckybill, Let's look at the scripture. John 5:5-9 5And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? 7The impotent man answered him...

It can be depending on how it is used. These "christians" would do well to look up the word 'reviler', or 'vile' in the KJV. Of course, it is so easy to see the fault in others, yet so hard to see the fault in ourselves. Here is the sticking point. Christ never tells us to go out into the...

Well, let's look at the scriptures first. Lev 16:15-16 15Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the veil, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat...

There are people that love to point to the verses that say homosexuality is a sin and that justifies their behavior. Let's look at some scripture. Luke 6:36-37 36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Now let's compare that verse to the entire chapter of 1 Cor. 5...

Thank you everyone for the warm welcome Joshua David

Since one of the names of the Tribulation Period is the Time of Jacob's trouble, I believe that the beginning of the Tribulation will be the start of 'Judgement'. I see the Church's judgment at the Bema seat in Heaven, and Israel's Judgment on earth. The Church is not the same as Israel, and...

Wow! It really amazes me that so many Christians can be "led by the Holy Spirit" in their bible study, and arrive at such different opinions. I for one believe in the Pre-Tribulation rapture of the Church. But I believe that the seals are part of the Tribulation so that none of them have...

OK.. I have tried to get you to change your writing style so that we could have a meaningful discussion, but since you refuse to, which means you are either unwilling or unable to talk like a normal person, I will leave you to your own devices. As I am sure you will rail on about how I refuse...

Hello everyone.. I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Joshua David. I used to be on a forum called ProphecyTalk before it shut down. I love the bible and love talking about the bible. I am a Covenantal Dispensationalist. I believe in the Pre-Tribulational, Pre-Millennial return of Jesus...