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  1. quietthinker

    Becoming a Grateful and Content Wife

    Becoming a Grateful and Content Wife I've never considered it! hmmx1:
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Delusion is not recognised by the deluded and mistaken allegiance a pitiful sight. Not even Jesus was able to break the spell holding those who relish their rightness while blaming their brothers.
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    We know who your God is Jack.
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    What would you do?

    I would visit Alcoholics Anonymous. They have been a great help in teaching me about things not understood both intellectually and emotionally Go there, stick around and listen up big. If you are willing the right track will unfold through means and with people you never expected.
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    The way we live is wrong

    I think we have alienated God. What I mean is, God has not alienated us yet we are convinced he has alienated us and needs appeasing. His message to us in the person of Jesus is that God is very fond of us. He gives us a never ending stream of gifts. The anxieties men experience are because of...
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    We've Grown More Outside of Church

    From what I can tell, Jesus had a love which flowed in and out of him like breathing, ie he absorbed his Father's love and reflected it to us. He even went further than laying down his life for his friends. Paul tells us that while we were enemies he laid down his life for us. Romans 5:8, 10. If...
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    We've Grown More Outside of Church

    I wonder what it was on the top of the 'whatever' list that Jesus commanded us to do? What I mean by that is, not just give a verbal ascent to......like the Son who promised to do his father's will but never went out to do it. Matthew 21:28-32 ...and was there a top of the list?
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    I understand it's difficult to kick against the pricks. One wants to avoid it.....but take courage.
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Yes, I've considered it. The account of Abraham is by Moses.....so, sometime down the track. Abraham lived in Mesopotamia where child sacrifice was a done thing. What ever Moses records as Abraham hearing re sacrificing Isaac, I question. I am not persuaded that whatever Abraham heard was...
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    I think God allows people to judge him worthy of their worship or not.....and so they determine the verdict themselves
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Addressing your question highlighted in red above. I think he did forgive them then and there. Check this presentation by Brad Jersak and let me know if you find any value?...thanks
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    I have absolute respect for the God of Jesus, which might I add I understand to be the same God since before Creation. I also believe that Jesus is the unmitigated revelation of God's character. I do not see it possible that the violence attributed to God by the OT writers accurately reflects...
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Have you really come to the conclusion that Jesus talking to his Father in John 17, was assured that his Father was about to have him tortured and killed because he needed it before he could forgive?
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    I see. I can assure you that I am familiar with the OT including the many attributions of violence to God. I am also familiar with the reality of Jesus, the which does not appear to jive with these attributions. I also think that any honest assessment of both the OT records and the history of...
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    How would you reconcile Jesus approach manifested in his living and dying with God sanctioning violence seeing he is the Ultimate arbitrator of God's purposes?
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Do you want to elaborate on your question?
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    We've Grown More Outside of Church

    Ahhhh, 'obedience', that hoary old adage.....and I would ask, obedience to what and to whom? Isn't it true that we all love to be obedient to something from our own desires to the king.... so to speak. I'm all in favour of obedience but it's not the obedience the religious promote by their...
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    Isn't it easy to superimpose our sense of justice onto God, Brakelite?.....subsequently the violence displayed in the myths of pagan gods. Is our sense of justice God's sense of justice? Does God solve problems the way mortals think problems are solved? God never intended Israel to dispossess...
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    Did Jesus use apologetics?

    Jesus worked by appeal. He is who he is and it either attracts or repulses. That said, attraction or repulsion is not always an instant phenomena.....so he let himself be observed (he did nothing in secret) He continually invites us to observe him, from the cradle to the grave to the...
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    The Wrath of God - How is it love?

    The Wrath of God - How is it love? God's wrath is defined in Romans 1:18-32. It fundamentally says that God allows folk to reap the consequences of their sustained choices. The words, 'he gave them over' to what they choose and love. Yep, breakdown which ultimately results in death. ....and why...