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@CadyandZoe When Paul describes the one doing what he does not want to do in Romans 7, that is nothing other than "slavery". Paul says "all things are lawful but I will not be mastered by anything". Being forced to do what you do not want to do. But it's not that you don't want to do it at all...

So, in your mind, all of that sinning described in Romans 7 is happening in Christ? 1 John 3 5You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. I see it, rather, that the spiritually immature are--as with the Galatians, who had "deserted God" and had been "cut...

Paul warns, in Romans 8:12,13 that the Christian who lives after the flesh will die, but that if, by the spirit, instead, they mortify the deeds of the flesh, they will live--and Romans 6 says if you offer your members to sin it leads to death. To your mind, this is mere coincidence?

In case you're going to say that when Christians sin (as you insist Romans 7 depicts) it's just their outward man sinning, but, inwardly, they're still undefiled: 2 Corinthians 7 1Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing...

You denied that eating with doubt was "a thing" at all, and denied that eating meat could be done without faith, with doubt : actually, that's exactly what sin is--having a yes and a no, walking after the flesh, is to be double minded, which is to not be fully persuaded, or to waver. You...

You asked "Am I being condemned because my brother ate meat against his conscience? How does that work?" Easy: 1 Corinthians 8 7But not everyone has this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that they eat such food as if it were sacrificed to an idol. And since their...

@CadyandZoe You claimed Romans 8:1 is "definitional", and that, as such, it "defines" those "in Christ" as those who do not walk after the flesh but after the Spirit, yet you also claim Romans 7 is an accurate depiction of a Christian's life. You realize Romans 7 describes sin "killing" Paul...

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1. No, and, likewise (because it's the same issue) the one who goes against what he believes in 1 Co 8 is condemned for sin. He did the same act as those other Christians did, but he could not do it with faith, so he sinned and was condemned because anything that does not come from faith is sin...

This is addressed to the so-called "Torah Observant" Christians, the modern Judaizers : why, if we're to serve by Torah, did Jesus say that you are doing a work of the evil one if you do as the Torah permitted and make a vow? Matthew 5 33“Again, you have heard that [z]the ancients were told...

Actually, he does : "if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh". What deeds of the flesh? Sins. Where do sins come from? Desires. The things the flesh desires. They are contrary to the spirit.

What is objectionable about the flesh is the flesh's desires that war against the soul and kill it. No, actually, you agree with me, though obliquely, that what is objectionable is their boasting. It does. Sin led to condemnation and death. Sin leads to condemnation and death. And he's...

Also the epistle of 1 John--and without which concept Paul's writings make no sense, as I've been proving. No, God being savior doesn't completely remove man from the equation--that sounds logical, but it doesn't regard Scriptural precedent (Judges 7:2). Nope, it is borne out throughout...

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OK Obviously you don't--we're having a discussion in which you deny anyone can at all be in at one moment and out at any other point. "Walking after the flesh" is contrasted against "walking after the spirit". The desires of the flesh are contrary to the desires of the spirit, so "walking...

So, you don't believe that 1 John actually teaches "true believers", those born of God, never sin.

1. No, my concept of remaining comes from all of Scripture. 2. Likelihood is not addressed in that portion, only the possibility of remaining or not remaining is addressed. No, contingency is not even addressed in v1. He merely addresses the blessedness of the ones in Christ. He nowhere...

I meant that proving not all Christians always remain is not necessarily the same as proving some Christians ultimately fall away, because it's been conceded by some on your side that, sure, Christians don't always remain, that sometimes they walk after the flesh, but, they will argue...

So, you believe Romans 7 describes the life he lived BEFORE Christ, it doesn't describe his Christian life, right?

When I observe that not all remain in Christ, the operative idea is "remain"--they are part of Christ but do not remain. I dont thin we agree there.