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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Yet, God spoke all things in heaven and earth into existence in 6 days! Consider what John writes regarding the sounding of the seventh/last trumpet. John writes in the day(s) of the voice of the seventh angel. I don't know how you read this, but I'm inclined to believe that days (plural)...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Christ's first coming ushered in this period of time symbolized a thousand years. A time when Satan is bound and the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is sent unto all the nations of the world that the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven might be complete. This is the time period Isa 65 pertains to...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    The problem with your reasoning David is that you are trying to force the NHNE to come down in TIME, that you think will be one thousand literal years. The NHNE don't come down until after TIME shall be no longer. The day of the Lord's coming will be accompanied by the heavens passing away...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    You've got this much almost right! Yes, it does involve a thousand years! Problem for you is to figure out how a thousand years can literally mean ONE thousand years without causing inconsistency and contradiction into the Word of God!
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Not to worry David! I know after some years having these discussions with you that you often come across as being tossed to and fro, not really understanding how you can believe this, but further how you could possibly believe that??? Until you begin to understand the Kingdom of God is a...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Nothing in this age shall be perfect, but all that is spiritually in heaven already is. As long as we are physically alive on this earth, we look for what shall be in both heaven now, and on the NHNE after this heaven and earth passes away. Like the Apostle Paul, we desire to depart from this...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    It is what some refer to as already, but not yet. What that means is that Isaiah's prophecy spiritually came when Christ came with His Kingdom. When the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete as the last Gentile to be saved has entered in, that which is now spiritual will be physical...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    I see your mind spinning these things somewhat the same way mine did many years ago. I too began my Christian journey embracing the doctrine of Premillennialism. The real struggle for me was that I had simply accepted what I had been taught. Then one day I encountered a Christian whose end...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    I agree new Jerusalem will come down with the coming of Christ. One thing you forget is how that shall be the last day of the age we have been living in since Christ has come. According to Jo 6, Christ tells us that He will raise us up on the "last day". John writes there will be no more...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Have you ever really considered that Isaiah's NHNE is prophecy pertaining to the spiritual Kingdom of God that would come when the promised Messiah, they long waited for would finally come? Being Premillennial, I wonder if you have ever examined prophecy through spiritual fulfillment? That is...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Where we differ, I believe the hardening in part must be removed before the last of the Gentiles come in. The time to be saved for all people is now. This is the time given the Church, as Satan is sealed in the pit when the elect of God from every nation shall be saved. Grace & Peace to you...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    We stand in faith in regarding who is saved. If a person claims to be saved, having been born again and becomes yoked together with other believers, who are we to say they are not saved? We know when Satan was bound because Scripture tells us when. We only know that Satan shall be loosed when...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    It's only the saints who have physically died that are a spiritual body of believers in heaven after death. The saints surrounded during Satan's little season are still physically alive on earth.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    By faith! When people profess to having come to a saving knowledge of Christ, and say they have been born again, they are accepted as belonging to the body of Christ and are entitled to receive of all the benefits afforded them from the Church. Especially those who submit to being members of...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    There is no way for any man to know who shall be or is saved or not. God only knows! It's not about knowing no one else is being saved. If the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is silenced (seemingly killed) on earth than who in unbelief shall hear to be saved? Will believers not know when laws...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I agree in part. They are 'two' olive trees, and 'two' lampstands. I believe they are the Word of God of Old contained in the Law and Prophets, and the Word of God of New delivered through proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through the power of the Holy Spirit. Which is what shall...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Not sure what you're trying to say here? Do you believe that when one becomes a faithful Christian they have no responsibility to share the Gospel with those in unbelief right up to the last moment they can? We work for salvation, but we do work out our salvation because it is God who works in...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    It was Jewish CHRISTIANS scattered abroad who belonged together with Gentiles of faith to the seven Churches John was instructed to write to.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The seventh angel will not sound before the last Gentile to be saved comes into the spiritual Kingdom of God by grace through faith. John writes in Rev 10 in the days when the seventh trumpet begins "the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets." (Rev...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Yes, but Paul has already said they were broken off through unbelief. It was Paul's hope that through salvation given even unto the Gentiles, SOME of those of his flesh might be saved. Any one of those of his flesh in unbelief who did not remain in unbelief, would be grafted back in again, and...