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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I mostly agree. I really can't understand why some label themselves PP instead of simply saying some of what is written is past history. Grace and peace to you also.
  2. R

    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Ok. Good, I thought that's what you had said earlier. Sorry if I did not carefully read your reply.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I agree! His spirit did not succumb to death as His physical body did but returned to heaven alive. Now, since Christ has risen from the dead, the spirit alive of all who live and die in Christ shall leave the mortal flesh and ascend to heaven a spiritual body of believers there.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I agree Marty. My reason for the question is because I don't see a need for spiritually reigning with Christ after physical death in heaven, nor do I see a need for saints to reign with Christ on the new earth??? I believe that's one of the reasons it's important to understand when John writes...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    How do you know the many that saw this miracle of physical resurrection were living humans on this earth? How can they be physically resurrected from the graves since Scripture says the graves with ALL the dead shall not be until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds? John 5:28-29...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I agree! John is very clear that Satan's little season shall not begin until TIME symbolized a thousand years has finished. According to what is written in Rev 10 about the sounding of the seventh trumpet when "there shall be time no longer" we read that DAY(S), not one day, but "in the day(s)...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The breath of life (spirit) that gave Jesus, the man, physical, mortal human life did not die/sleep when His body did. His spirit after physical death left His mortal flesh and returned to the Father. The breath of life (spirit) that gives every living breathing creature on the earth physical...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    If the rest of the dead is partly believers, they would not be written with the rest of the dead! They would be among the group who were martyred for their faith, or among the group that shall reign with Christ called "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Do you not believe we reign with Christ in this life?
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    It's not simply "the rest" it is the rest of the physically dead. To physically die in unbelief means they are of the dead who shall be in silence and darkness in the graves until the thousand symbolic years have finished, then they shall be raised to life again for a resurrection for damnation.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The first resurrection did NOT happen at the cross. The first resurrection that all MUST have part in to overcome the second death happened when Christ bodily resurrected from the DEAD. He was DEAD, but is now ALIVE, and all who have part in His resurrection life, share in His everlasting...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    It will only make sense if/when you have spiritual discernment.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Unless the end of days began with the first advent of Christ. These days are called "these last days". The days/time/era/age for preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, symbolized a thousand years that shall end when the seventh trumpet begins to sound. Just as the prophecy foretells, the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    If they came out of the graves as physical bodies resurrected to physical life again why is there nothing to my knowledge (and I've searched) of this fantastic miracle recorded? Since they appeared to MANY humans living in Jerusalem of Old, they were certainly silent about having seen something...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Daniel 12 is prophecy that begins with the first advent of Christ coming to earth a man. The prophecy covers the whole New Covenant age of proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom of God that began when Christ came to earth a man, and will not end until the end of these days. We know this...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I too believe those souls in Rev 6:9 are among the martyrs of Rev 20:4. But they were not martyred for the witness of Jesus according to what is written. IMO they could not have been witnesses of Jesus because they lived and died before knowing that name (Jesus. They testified for the Word of...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    To have part in the resurrection life of Christ is not a bodily resurrection. Partaking of Christ's resurrection comes when we are born again of His Spirit and have spiritually entered the Kingdom of God. None will be bodily resurrected until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Yes, the many saints who had already died, came out of the graves a spiritual body of believers after the resurrection of Christ. And the spirit of David was among them. The rest of the DEAD are not believers, as David was.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    You're assuming these under the altar lived and died after the first advent of Christ. If that were true, why are they seen under the altar and not in heaven as John says of those who were martyred for the witness of Jesus (Rev 20:4)?
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I understand that time is measured through seasons. But I don't understand why you believe a thousand symbolic years of time of Rev 20 should be discerned as different seasons. Nor do I believe Satan is bound for "periods" of time. IMO a thousand years symbolizes all seasons of all time that...