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    Until the Spirit from on High is Poured Upon Us.

    Yes, the Church as She appears on this earth called saints, are the holy nation of God. 1 Peter 2:8-10 (KJV) And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The rest of the dead must simply live again after the thousand years expire! To live again is not the same as being part of resurrection life again. John uses his words carefully that we may know, the dead are not bodily RESURRECTED to life again. But they shall be revived or recover physical...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Do you believe the rest of the dead will be raised to live life again on the earth? The dead are bodily resurrected to be condemned not to live again on the earth. Notice in vs 5 is does not say the rest of the dead are resurrected to life again. John writes only that the dead do NOT live...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    They cannot physically live again before an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. It is not a contradiction, John writes only that they will not live again until this time, the thousand years expires, and they don't! They remain dead and in the graves until the GWTJ comes and they are...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    They will live again after the thousand years! They shall be resurrected to physical life to stand before the GWTJ of God after the thousand years expire and Satan's little season has ended! There is no gap, they remain dead and in the graves until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    John only mentions the dead who are not among those alive after they were martyred. They were not of the first resurrection through the resurrection life of Christ. So they remain in the graves, and not with the living after physical death. IOW they died in unbelief which is why they are the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I agree! Christ is telling us He is the resurrection and the life, being the first resurrection to physical life who shall never die again. And the only way that mankind may still be alive after physical death is if in life they have part in the resurrection life of Christ who is the "first...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    John makes no mention of what comes after the thousand years expire except for Satan's little season. The dead are not judged until after Satan has his little season so they cannot be resurrected to life again until after the thousand years and Satan's little season. They are only resurrected...
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    Why do we need born again

    We are dead in trespasses and sins before we are born again, because we are born in human flesh! All humans are under the sentence of death from birth. Because all humans are born in or through sin therefore, sin we all shall. When man listened to the voice of evil the whole creation was...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The text says only that the dead shall be judged after time (a thousand years) expires. I believe this is to show a contrast between those who have died in faith, and those who die in unbelief who live and die during this symbolic time. Those who died in faith are still alive in heaven after...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    IMO the reason for the confusion is that Premillennialism doesn't accept the "first resurrection" is the physical resurrection of Christ that man must, through His Spirit have part in before death to overcome the second death. Premillennialism want us to believe these who have physically died...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I really don't understand what you mean here Marty? If being spiritually alive in Christ after physical death, and the binding of Satan began at the cross, why do you say they are different thousand years of time? I agree the binding of Satan ends when the thousand years expire. But that is...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Then how in this life do we worship God in spirit and in truth? When our spirit through Christ's Spirit seek that which comes from above, we are spiritually in Christ and while living through His Spirit we reign with Him. John 4:23-24 (KJV) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    When did I ever say that when man is born again of the Spirit they have immortality? NEVER! Christ does not say whoever lives and believes in Me has IMMORTAL life. He says whoever lives and believes in Me has ETERNAL/EVERLASTING life through His Spirit. Christ doesn't say believers are...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    When we understand Rev 20 we learn there is only one period of time symbolized a thousand years. This symbolic time begins with the advent of Christ and ends when the seventh trumpet begins to sound that time shall be no longer. Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    You seem to be disagreeing with what you agree with??? Paul does not write it is raised a body spiritual, he writes it is raised a "spiritual body", because that is what those who die in faith become after our natural body has died. Just as we are while alive on earth a natural body of...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    As I've already said some translations do make it appear these martyred saints come to life AGAIN, but that is not how the verse should be interpreted. See reply #2 for why I say this.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Yes. The word defined beheaded is derived from a word that means more than beheading. It indicates martyrdom in general through calamity and affliction, or smiting. The same word 'beheaded' is derived from is also used "was smitten". BEHEADED - Rev 20:4 Strong's Greek Dictionary 3990...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Then why does Paul write that when the natural body of saints dies, it is raised a spiritual body in heaven? And why does Solomon write that when man dies, their spirit returns to God who gave it? And what does Christ mean when He promises that whoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The verse does not say the soldiers that witnessed the renting of the veil and the earthquake with rocks being rent in half were witnesses of what happened three days later. It was AFTER Christ's resurrection the saints arose from graves and went into the holy city, heavenly Jerusalem, and...