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  1. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    No. You can't disbelieve the reality in a ritualistic way using the fact that there is also some symbols used in the bible. He expects us to know the difference. When the bible says an angel or a temple or the ark that is not imagery. What nations do after Jesus returns is not the topic...
  2. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Wisdom is plain to him that understands. Try not to attempt a holy cover for not believing the bible. The temple was a temple and the ark is the ark and heaven is heaven.
  3. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Not at all, we know from various other places in the bible that the sun does go out and etc. Nothing to do with politics. We are told in prophesy that there will be a great quake in the end, that will level all cities and mountains on earth. Isaiah 30:25 And there shall be upon every high...
  4. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Not really. There was a 'do not disturb' sign on God's door basically until the plagues were done. By the way this shows that folks did enter the temple, but that they temporarily was a closure!
  5. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Your opinion that what was stated clearly is nothing more than 'imagery' is noted. To be clear, are the thunders and lightning and temple just imagery also?
  6. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Look at the verse. Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. So the first part of that verse right up to the colon is...
  7. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Nope. That is why we are to pray that is one day be on earth as it is in heaven. It is more like hell now than heaven. You are not even close. When He returns all will submit that are still alive! He will break them in pieces like a broken bowl. He will then rule with a rod of iron, an iron...
  8. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    It would probably be better for you to admit defeat and get on with getting a better understanding of the ark in heaven. It is not relevant to the issue of where the ark is to be looking at all the symbolism of the ark. It did not say the symbolism was in heaven but that a temple was in heaven...
  9. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Since the greater context here was that you claimed Christ was now ruling the planet and has been for 1000 years the monarchy in the UK does not matter. I simply am not impressed by Camila, Prince Philip or Charles etc.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The Valley of Josaphat (variants: Valley of Jehoshaphat and Valley of Yehoshephat) is a Biblical place mentioned by name in the Book of Joel (Joel 3:2 and 3:12): "I will gather together all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Josaphat: "Then I will enter into judgment with them...
  11. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Seriously, you thought Charles was a defender of Christian faith? Pretty lame.
  12. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    He returns to rule. A valley opens up near the mount of olives and He judges nations. That means people. Lot's of survivors.
  13. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    When Jesus returns the kingdoms of this world will become His kingdoms. Meanwhile, the nations are against Jesus. Neither are believers ruling with Him here now.
  14. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No survivors? Rev 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying...
  15. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No He does not whether you realize it or not. Nor has He been reigning for the last 1000 years with His saints. Nor has the great tribulation that must precede that rule happened yet. Etc. No we are not at the end of the millennium. I doubt Satan and his angels are cast to earth till we are...
  16. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    He does not reign till He returns. You have some wires crossed
  17. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So Jesus has returned to earth and destroyed the wicked and ruled with His saints already for 1000 years. Since that day will not come Paul told us until the man of sin first comes, then you also think the tribulation is over. So the waters all turned to blood and etc 1000 years ago? Sorry, not...
  18. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    It means a temple was opened in heaven and in it was the ark of the covenant. Not sure what having verses at the ends of chapters seems to rock your boat. However, unless you have some clear and sane reason why anyone would care, don't waste our time pretending you have some clever point...
  19. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Misquote? Yet there is a temple in heaven named after it and containing it! Your opinion has no basis. So now those who disbelieve that there really were the temple and the ark in the temple are unlike saints! Pretty lame. The only place the discussion was sidetracked was when you expressed...
  20. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Whatever it pointed to aside there was an ark, so where is it? I think you answered that you neither know nor care. Well if it is on planet earth that description will do. To be clear do you wave away the temple as well as the ark in the temple? If so, how about heaven, does that make the...