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Hey everyone, we allow for vigorous debate...but lets try to keep the conversation about the topic and not one another. Its fine to make a comment about how someone else is coming across, but lets not allow this to become the focus of the discussion. Thank you.

I hardly think the voices on this board are an accurate reflection of Christianity as a whole...especially on this issue. Well, I don't think the debates and conflicts in this area from either side are always benign. You should recognize that there is a lot of garbage coming from the other...

You see, here is where I think you are exaggerating your claims. Many scientists believe we have enough scientific information in the fossil record to assume single-cell organisms evolved into humans. However, this is not an established fact and there are scientists that freely admit that the...

We both agree that science is a good thing. However, "hostile to science" can mean a host of different things. Do you want your kids being taught publicly that miracles are non-scientific and therefore the Bible is fairy tales? I mean, miracles, strictly speaking, are hostile to science as...

You said people get the impression that Christians have a problem with science as if you are on the outside looking in. So, because you are a Christian, which group would you say doesnt have a problem with science (since obviously you dont believe you have a problem with it)? From our...

I agree Aspen, except for this part: Im not sure what you mean by this. The experiences of the saints are inspiring, but not inspired. Very different concepts. I would not say there are other God-breathed texts.

Don't you claim to be a Christian? :blink: yeah, you're right. My friend who works in a lab in this very field doesn't know what he's talking about. He should be fired for his view on creation because clearly it impedes his work.

One does not need to postulate about the formation of life to understand biology and how cells function today. The idea that life can only be "interconnected" via evolution is nonsense. A common designer could also explain such connections. Either way, one does not need to believe we came...

I am just trying to understand how theories on origins are essential for modern day science. Can we not explore the inner-workings of the cell, adaptations, mutations, etc. without injecting theories of origins on students? Are these theories crucial for the technology that will keep us ahead...

Im sure we can manage to build computers and bridges....even if we stop teaching kids that they came from monkeys via billions of years of random processes.

winc, In my estimation, Moses spoke directly with God (Father, Son & Spirit). He did not see God's face or full glory as we read elsewhere. However, he did draw near to the very presence of God and God spoke with him in plain terms. Since the OT does not distinguish the persons of the...

In my defense, I think this argument is also weak. I do believe in aspects of sacramental theology (specifically baptism). Purgatory was not a doctrine held to by the early church. There is a difference, in my opinion, in a view that perhaps wasn't a predominant view for large portions of...

Well, there is nothing left for me to say. If the dispensational charts and timelines are clearly from the Bible, then I guess I and the first 1800 years of Christians didnt know how to read the Bible plainly.

Nothing like smearing and denouncing everyone and everything as enemies of God with a few, blanket statements. I guess Jesus should have condemned the widow who gave her mite since she did it in view of Jesus and the disciples. smh. We all need a little grace pom...even you. But I guess...

The fact is that the RCC declared the Apocrypha to be part of the canon at the Council of Trent far more in response to Protestantism than anything else. I think the Apocrypha has good material in it, but even among Jews it was scarcely viewed as inspired in the first century. The fact that it...

So no one has it right but you?

The problem is that there were many groups surfacing that sought to change the message of Christ from those who originally passed it down. Marcion was the first to try to reshape the person and message of Jesus by making an anti-Semitic canon. The canon was formed not to "control" what...

ATP, Although this is not a formal setting or a classroom, I agree with Oz that you need to post links and references if you are going to quote someone else word-for-word. It's just an issue of intellectual honesty. If you are just going to very loosely paraphrase what someone else wrote...

ATP, Jeremiah is referring to the invasion of the Babylonians. Your references in Matthew, Mark and Luke are directly referring to 70AD (I don't discount the idea that these could be microcosms of a future period of suffering, but that is somewhat speculative). The tribulation of Revelation...

Hey Oz, Thanks for getting back with me. That sounds like quite a project. I know those project defenses can cause a good bit of anxiety. Yes, in the USA, course work is required for ATS accredited DMin and PhD programs. DMin programs tend to be more seminar-based (pre course reading...