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Yes, the birth of Jesus is also in Scripture. That doesn't mean it will take place during a 3.5 or 7 year tribulation. You are taking texts and mashing them into an end time scenario that either doesn't fit or isn't referencing the end times. That is the issue. Yes there is a rapture. But...

Sorry ATP, I have been crazy busy. One of my coworkers left and the other is leaving. I am having to do their jobs as well as mine. I read your comment in #37. I am just not sure how to respond. My interpretation of Revelation is so strikingly different to yours that its hard to make a...

Good points Hammerstone. I think the "rapture" as it is depicted in the NT most closely associated with the destruction of a tsunami, such as the ones that hit Japan and Thailand. Those who are "taken away" are the ones carried away by the overwhelming waves. The day comes upon them "like a...

No one is disputing that, ATP. What I am disputing, and what the early church never taught was that Jesus would come down, secretly take the church, and then leave with them so God could focus on Israel, rebuild the temple and have them start performing animal sacrifices again in the Temple so...

Foreigner, You are wrong. There is a reason every scholar out there agrees that Darby invented dispensationalism and the "rapture" as it is depicted in books such as "The Late Great Planet Earth" and "Left Behind." Its because it is true. First, those quotes from those church fathers are...

Your examples are quite poor and reflect a very flawed logic. First, bakers generally aren't aware of what is being spent on or is taking place during a wedding ceremony when they are baking a cake. I am sure if the gay couple had not mentioned the two of them were getting married, there would...

I have read quite extensively on this issue and am familiar with the word studies and cultural backgrounds that are referenced. For 1900 years the church has been in universal agreement on the explicit condemnation of homosexuality in the Scriptures. I find it curious that as our culture...

pom2014, The church explorations of the person of Christ as it relates to the Trinity occurred long after Polycarp died. The first use of the word "trinity" did not even occur until the late 2nd century...Polycarp died in 167. To your point, yes there have been influential believers who have...

First, there is a difference between baking a cake for a wedding that "involves" other sins and baking a cake for a wedding that is itself a sin. There is no way for a baker to know if a wedding will "involve" people getting drunk. He would be arrogant and judgmental if he assumed someone was...

Oz, I agree that formal classes are the way to go. I also know that many on this site would not be interested in a formal class. I have studied Greek both formally and independently and I also have always received more out of formal classes. I am curious about your education. What do you...

So you agree it would have been wrong for the baker to bake the cake for the gay ceremony? I have been discussing what I believe the law should be in order to maintain our freedom to act according to our faith and conscience. I am under no illusion that the courts or mob consensus of our...

River, The only question I see you have asked is: What's your point? My point is that the courts rule in favor of a women being allowed to terminate the life of the unborn. It doesn't matter to me if every court in all the world said that killing the unborn is right, it would still be wrong...

You didn't answer the question.

Or, perhaps it was because they were eyewitnesses (cf. Acts 1:8; 1 John 1). It seems the message, rather than the offices, were the primary emphasis in my estimation. I agree with you. If we have the apostolic teaching in the NT, then how does that justify your stance on papal authority and...

That's what they said. Yes you keep saying that. but I told you he was willing to bake for them. Clearly it was the event, not their sexual orientation that was the issue. smh Again, you're either unable to track the discussion or your are intentionally avoiding the points I am making. I...

Ill try this again... No, he's not. He offered to bake for the couple. No, the differences are 1) the act of the gay couple getting married is illegal in Colorado and 2) they are asking the baker to lend his services to a specific act that violates his conscience. I'll try this yet...

That has not been my argument. I have explicitly said that someone should not be denied service due to race, religion or background. That is not the issue with the baker. That's simply not true. The baker offered to bake them anything other than a wedding cake. He did not want to...

DogLady19, Where do you find the biblical definition of an apostle as "church planter"? The Scriptures tell us the requirements of being an Apostle. Consider Acts 1:21-22: Apostles are: the foundation of the entire church (Eph. 2:20). those that receive direct revelation from God (Eph. 3:5)...

justaname, In my estimation, the first should be "yes" and the second two should be "no." The first represents a business participating in an act that the owner feels to be sinful. The second two are discriminatory based on religion or color. If a gay man wants to have a banquet at a...

StanJ, I can engage in discussions and point out issues I have with someone's argumentation just like anyone else. I am a participant as well as a moderator. I am simply pointing out that your argument on this topic is that you have the facts and those who disagree with you only have...