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  1. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Truth is easier to defend. But the truth is, Truth does not need a defense or it's not Truth.It stands on it's own merits. The splendour of truth shines forth in all the works of the Creator and, in a special way, in man, created in the image and likeness of God (cf. Gen 1:26). Truth enlightens...
  2. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    I think it's Baptist. They invented the Baptist Succession theory. I notice that when every you ask for names of these "local church leaders" they appeal to the all purpose "man made hierarchy" fallacy, which is contradictory and self defeating. Baptist Successionism / Authority of the First...
  3. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Our friend hasn't posted in 3 days. Maybe you stumped him or he is too busy to sit at the computer. I would like to answer the questions. Protestants like Wormwood are forced to defend the "man made hierarchy" theory in order to justify their break from Rome. It has no basis in Scripture or...
  4. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    OFFICE OF THE POPE IN THE BIBLE Isa. 22: 19 I will thrust you from your office, and you will be pulled down from your station Shebna is described as having an "office" and a "station." An office, in order for it to be an office, has successors. In order for an earthly kingdom to last, a...
  5. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Higher critics can disprove most of the Bible with historicity methods, we call them Modernists. Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies and was condemned in 1907. Klaus Schatz is a respected scholar. Some like him, I don't. Cherry picking a few paragraphs from a book is as bad as one...
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    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    The reference to Isaiah 22 shows that the structure of Jesus’ kingdom was modeled on King David’s dynastic court. In Luke 1.32-33 Jesus’ birth is announced in royal terms. He will inherit the throne of his father David. He will rule over the house of Jacob and his kingdom shall never end. Like...
  7. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    The basic assumptions the typical Evangelical has about the papacy are part of the wallpaper in the Evangelical world. Being brought up in an independent Bible Church, I was taught that our little fellowship of Christians meeting to study the Bible, pray and sing gospel songs was like the ‘early...
  8. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Which passage? Paul was subject to the Church, which you seem to be avoiding. He checked with Peter, James and John, later termed the Magisterium, to verify his gospel. Why you think this has nothing to do with papal authority is outside of reason. The Protestant revolt is a red herring to the...
  9. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Bishops were ordained and appointed to various churches. There was no question as to who they were. "blindly following whatever that person says" is a distortion of Hebrews 13:17 "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them...
  10. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Wormwood, on 29 Nov 2016 - 7:18 PM, said: Quote Tom, "Brotherly love and people of LOCAL congregations getting along with one another" wasn't enough to stop the Arian and Nestorian heresies, and every "bible alone" heretic down through the centuries.. Independent Evangelical churches follow...
  11. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    I didn't say all of therm, just Hebrews 11:32-37, which is a reference to 2 Maccabees 7, from a book that Martin Luther threw out. It's not in your OT Bible. I should have been more clear. Matthew 2:23, 1 Cor.10:4 are Traditions the Apostles kept, because they are not found in the OT in...
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    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Agreed, they are not the same. Jesus did not institute another chair, but the existing chair of Moses was fulfilled and transferred to the Chair of Peter, which still exists today. As the first verse of the Mishna tractate Abôte indicates, (Jewish oral tradition) the Jews understood that God’s...
  13. epostle1

    Who is Right?

    Does God allow the kissing of a picture of your mother or loved one? Do you think we are so stupid we think veneration stops at a piece of stone or plaster? I see the anti-Catholics have you well indoctrinated with the usual lies. BTW, the proper use of religious statuary is a thoroughly...
  14. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    In order to be "always right", there is required criteria that must be followed. . ""Ex cathedra refers to binding and infallible papal teachings which are promulgated by the pope In union with all the bishops. when he officially teaches in his capacity of the universal shepherd of the Church...
  15. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    For the second time, material sufficiency of Scripture is acceptable, formal sufficiency of Scripture was invented by Martin Luther. The distinction here makes all the difference in the world. From a Protestant point of view, anything less than formal sufficiency is unacceptable and will...
  16. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Translation: post #357 has me stumped so I will ignore it. No comprehensive decisions of Councils carried the authority of Scripture alone. We know that Acts 15:1-21 (ESV) demonstrates the decisions of the Jerusalem Council that made it to Scripture. The rest of those decisions have not made it...
  17. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Peter and Paul were colleagues, not competitors. It was Paul's job to preach to the Bereans,, not Peter's. Your condescending, juvenile dig at the Pope is uncalled for. Pitting the Bible against the Church is not in the Bible, but you do it because it is a man made Protestant tradition. BTW...
  18. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Well, if only a bishop can ordain another bishop, are you saying there is a break in continuity somewhere? I'd like to see your evidence. It's true there were false popes and anti-popes and corrupt popes, but doesn't that show Satan's efforts to attack the papacy? Why would he bother if the...
  19. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    I never said the Church determined the canon, (Geisler said it, which is a misrepresentation, you said it, which is misquoting me) she DISCERNED the canon. Contrary to sola scripture myth, the councils were very important. I agree with what he says in the first chart, but then totally blows it...
  20. epostle1

    When did the universal Church first mentioned in 110AD stop being universal?

    Funny how Giesler makes no mention of the councils that discerned the canon. but asserts the usual reformist nonsense about the Church being over the canon. It's a centuries old straw man. (Acts 16:4). Acts 15:28). When we put all of that together, and consider it as objectively as possible...