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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    I am not Premillennial, but I agree the "first resurrection" is the bodily resurrection of Christ. When we have part in Christ through His Spirit and have been born again, we have part in His first resurrection life which means we have gone from being spiritually dead in trespasses and sins to...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    I very much appreciate your replies EG. Because you come from a Premil POV where the Covenant of God to both the natural seeds of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as well as the supernatural SEED (Christ) that came through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to all who are supernaturally called "Israel of God"...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    That isn't true LAMB. The topic is Amil vs Premil. Understanding the Covenant of Redemption and who it was given to and who would be benefactors of the Covenant of Redemption through Christ is at the very heart of the differences between these two eschatological points of view...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    Sorry, but that makes no sense to me. Forfeiting the use is the same as forfeiting the inheritance. They would keep forever IF they obeyed or be cut off when they did not. That has always from the beginning been whole Covenant promise to Israel of old regarding the promised land of Cannan...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    You show you understand the symbolism being under the altar as their blood crying out after death. The altar is where the blood of animals was shed for one's sins to be atoned for. It was the altar that is Christ that these martyred saints were symbolically under. They could not be raised a...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Exactly FOG! That's exactly what John is telling us in Rev 20. Those who physically die in faith, through His Spirit in us continue to be a spiritual body of believers still living souls after physical death because the life we have through Christ is through our eternal spirit, not our...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    David, now you are showing you have the same understanding of the faithful dead that John was shown in the vision of Rev 20. These souls John says are alive after they have physically died are a spiritual body of believers in heaven, called souls, because they are alive. They will not be...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    They turned away from God, broke His Covenant and worshipped other gods and idols; therefore, they forfeit the promised land, exactly as God warned they would. We cannot cling to promises from God that come with both blessing and cursing, then say God is not faithful to His promises. The fact...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    When I first became a Christian I too was taught the doctrine you now believe. One day I was convicted of the need to search and study the Word of God for myself. That's when I began to notice contradictions and inconsistencies is what I had been taught to believe. I asked my Pastor and...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    EG, I don't doubt for a moment that you would hope I would read the Word and be open, I too feel the same way. But the problem that you and I will never resolve is our opposing view of biblical eschatology. You read and understand Scripture from the Dispensational Premillennial POV, and I read...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    Sincerely trying not to be overly harsh EG, what you've written IMO sounds more like wishful thinking than biblical truth.
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    I agree the faithful dead shall not be a spiritual body of believers in heaven FOREVER! We shall only be there until time given this earth shall be no longer. That will be when the seventh/last trumpet sounds and time shall be no longer, or some translations say there shall be no longer delay...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    IMO your reply above is not a rebuttal for what I have given you using Scripture to prove why I believe as I do. I believe your response is based on your view of biblical eschatology. What happens to your doctrine, I believe is Premillennial, if the spirit of faithful saints after physical...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Who is the serpent in the Garden of Eden that marked A&E to death through deception, causing them to sin? Revelation is a book filled with symbolic imagery, and as long as you continue to read it with mostly wooden literalism you will never be able to discern it.
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    IMO God created mankind with a free will, knowing that man with unfettered free will, would never freely choose to submit to another, not even God although knowing that disobedience to God's command would bring death. Therefore man had to experience sin and it's consequence, death that they...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    When I looked at the defining of 'breath of life' I discovered when God breathed into man the breath of life is spirit within that gives every living breathing creature upon the earth physical life. Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    I've already replied to this question David. I replied by asking you if you believe the beast and his mark are only for the last days? This may not be my verbatim original question but very close to it. When you answer my question, then we may be able to discuss your belief that I assume you...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    Did you read Joshua? The reason God repeatedly says that Israel will NEVER be altogether forsaken is because throughout history Israel has always had a remnant that would be saved. He blessed them and repeatedly sent them prophets with the Law to warn them, because the remnant to be saved both...
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    Amillennialism vs premillennialism ......how & why ppl believe different.

    The promise for them to inherit the land of Cannan was fulfilled through Joshua. He led them into the promised land, and God gave them ALL that He promised and drove out their enemies. If Israel had kept the Covenant promise they made to be faithful to God alone and keep His commandments, not...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Solomon tells us the spirit returns to God who gave it, and we learn from Christ that life we receive from Him is everlasting and shall never die. Christ knew that all mortal flesh is destined to die, so the life we receive from Him that is everlasting and shall never die is life we have...