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The first resurrection is the resurrection of Christ. The only way we shall have everlasting eternal life is by partaking of His resurrection life. We do this not physically but spiritually. The martyred souls in vs 4 partook of the resurrection of Christ through faith they continued to cling...

It's not that faithful saints will never again live in a body of flesh, they will when the last trumpet sounds and they receive a resurrected body from the graves changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible. Now understand what else happens when the seventh trumpet sounds...

Totally unbiblical!

John cannot be seeing them in resurrected bodies (whatever you think that might be) since the dead body shall not be resurrected until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds. That's also when time shall be no longer (Rev 10) John writes they LIVED and REIGNED (PAST TENSE) a thousand...

FOG, I am not your enemy, even though you appear to see me as such. I do not twist, nor falsely claim what is not written. You're angry because I do not give credibility to what I believe is unbiblical doctrine being read into the Bible. That is NOT what John has written! It is support for...

I don't know how others understand it, but I believe 'body' is used to define the whole in the same way believers are one body in Christ while alive on earth.

Yes, in heaven souls alive after physical death become a spiritual body of believers in heaven, who were during their lives a physical body of believers on earth. Because the spirit returns to God with life through the Spirit of Christ within.

The verse says they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. That means they were in life faithful unto death. John does not say they lived again in bodies of flesh.

While I agree that the faithful shall enter into the next age that shall be without death, sin or corruption/evil, so it will be a life of bliss on the new earth. But I do not agree with your understanding of what it means to possess eternal life. Because the life we have when we are born...

Where do we find this Greek word zao that means alive in the verse? John writes only of SOULS of them that were martyred for their faith. John says souls because being souls without flesh is to continue to have life through their eternal spirit. Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and...

I understand what you're saying and do not disagree. But the Bible never says we who were "spiritually dead"... We understand how fallen man is dead in trespasses and sins without the presence of the Holy Spirit within them. But the Bible does not call our new birth, or spiritual birth a...

No FOG, that's your doctrine being read into the passage. Where in this verse do we find any mention of these martyred SOULS having a body of flesh? You ASSUME being a soul means having a body, but saying soul is saying LIFE that is found within the spiritual body of believers after they have...

Since Daniel 12 is prophecy pointing to the advent of Christ coming as the Messiah/Redeemer the prophecy goes from the advent of Christ's birth to the end of days. It covers the same time period John writes symbolically as a thousand years. Not literally one thousand years, but time that runs...

All I will say about this is that it is not what I have heard from any other Amillennial believer.

I believe Dan 12:1 is also referring to the advent of Christ. When we compare it to the battle that took place in heaven we find Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven and bound to the earth when Christ was born. That is when the age of Gospel grace began, but Christ must live a sinless...

Daniel is referring to this age of Gospel grace. Some, those who died in faith of Old, believing the Messiah/Redeemer would come arose from the grave a spiritual body of believers and appeared in the holy, heavenly city new Jerusalem and were seen by the whole hosts of heaven. That's why we...

I use the word ascended because that is what we read in Scripture. When Christ ascended to heaven, those who were dead ascended with Him there. Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended...

What do you think must be read into the text that is not there if the many who arose from the graves after the resurrection of Christ is in view?

The first resurrection is the bodily resurrection of Christ because He is the first resurrection of the dead to never die again. We partake of His resurrection through His Spirit in us when we are born again, and the life we have through Him is everlasting. Daniel 12:2 is NOT referring to the...

You're right David, there surely is something very wrong with that understanding of Rev 20. The main focus of this chapter IMO is to give faithful saints assurance that we have everlasting life when we have part in Christ who is the first resurrection to never die again before we physically...