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Yes! For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God. 21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,[f] leaving us[g] an example, that you...

Wow... I like what you said. Never thought of that. :) Interesting angle!

:blink: America does not follow Christ's example. Money, power, putting oneself above others. I would venture to say one cannot know Christ's ways and claim that America follows it. Christ sacrificed his life to make peace, his work was spiritual. America sacrifices OTHERS to make peace...

I agree. But we fool ourselves if we think we can use the tool of the enemy, politics, to bring in the life of God. Our weapons are mighty and spiritual, not carnal. Voting, speeches, rallys, all those things are carnal. We fight in the spirit, by prayer, by seeking. The way to save the...

We are not exempt of the law, no, and we do live in this world. But we do not battle in the flesh. I know it is an easy excuse to do nothing, but that is not the way I mean it. We are to wage war, but for the Christian, that's definitely not done by changing a law.

No no no. I don't mean that grace is a way of securing your salvation. :) Grace is power that we may walk like him. Salvation IS Christ, and it is only in him that we have it and are safe. If we don't abide, we are lost. We can neither earn, sercure, or own salvation. Christ Jesus is not for...

The work of the cross is not assurance of salvation, it is new life! The cross is the death of the old life, and the ressurection the start of the new. We are a new creation in Christ so that we might be conformed to his image. It is possible for a man to start in the way of the Lord, to be...

:blink: It would take a great misunderstanding of the new testament to somehow consider God's plan was to make another fleshly nation for himself. It would also take a great misunderstanding of history to somehow think America was founded according to Christ's ways. In his name? Sure. His name...

I just read this, very interesting! Well put together. That was one thing I had noticed before; hades in greek is the world of the dead. ALL the dead go there, it is simply the grave.

Americans are NOT God's people :rolleyes: That would require to throw out the whole new covenant which is according to the Spirit, not the flesh.

Sad indeed! Man's way is to bring on out of his current bondage, and give bind him another way! The only true freedom is in Christ, where one is free to serve him and empowered to do his will. All else is bondage to sin, in one form or another. We will never be free in the way man wants to...

:) It is good to do things with joy, and with faith in the Lord. Only you misunderstand me; if I did things out of concern for losing something, I would be dead set against what I'm telling you. If I seek to save my life, I will lose it. I do not say we are not 'eternally saved' because I...

Welcome here Hilary! :) May the Lord bless you, and make you to grow strong in the faith!

We are called to be born of God, of the Spirit. What is of God is of God, what is of the flesh is of the flesh. God respects no persons above others, whether white, black, or anything else, we all are human, with the same fallen nature. God's way through is that a new creation be born of...

The way is narrow, we may walk on it for a while and fall away. Man never was 'eternally saved', so there is no way we can question whether he was 'saved' or not. He had been saved, just as those who are in Christ were, only he didn't persevere. Christ never speaks of the assurance of glory...

See, I htink there are many coined phrases in Christendom that we've added meaning to that isn't there. We don't 'get saved' in an eternal sense. It says many times things like endure to the end and you WILL be saved. We are saved now in the sense that now, God gives us a new heart and we are...

Well, he'll clear it up when he comes around I guess. But I know him personally, and have studied this with him before. I am confident in saying that he was talking about what Israel is to God, according to the Spirit. He does make a difference between the two. Being a biological descendant of...

Well in that sense there would be two Israel's, and I do think there is. Israel according to the Spirit, the Israel of God, both Jew and Gentile who are in Christ, and 'Israel' according to the flesh, the Jews, sons of Judah. I believe Episkopos was talking about Israel according to the...

The OT is about God taking a weak nation to show forth his glory and to be a light to the world, walking in righteousness. If they were such a higher race, why did they (in the big scope of things) fail? The NT is about God taking a people, and through their weakness and death shining his...

Good point, Jake. I guess it's like the disciples being empowered to cast out demons and etc, it was part of the training. God gives us always just as much as we need to learn and continue.