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This isn't something we're going to agree on, because I don't believe ends justify means. If I were to beat a person until they recited a Sinner's Prayer, am I doing the Lord's work? If I were to blatantly threaten until they recited a Sinner's Prayer, am I doing the Lord's work? If I were to...

Again: I do not advocate for not acknoweding that there are dangers. But I do advocate against fear-centered evangelicalism. "Cliff" analogies are fear-based evangelicalism.

We've been over this: there's a difference between acknowledging that there's is danger, verses it being the center point of evangelicalism. I do not advocate for not acknoweding that there are dangers. But I do advocate against fear-centered evangelicalism.

Ends don't justify means. And fear-based evangelism never makes a true disciples. Yes, you can scare people into falling into line, showing up to church, reciting a prayer, whatever. But not love & true discipleship.

Do I really need to answer that rehoritical question?

It is the entire theme of the video. Down to title of it. This is fear-based evangelism. Not discipleship.

Yes: and I stand by my statement. This video exemplifies and justifies fear-based evangelism. It is not of Christ and rather mocks HIs ways in favor of fear. It does not make disciples or build relationships. It only generates children fearful of a father figure.

I don't understand why some people feel the need to use fear and threats to convince people to come to Christ. This doesn't make disciples.

What is in the Bible versus what street preachers do are two entirely different things. It's not even comparable.

It's the methods I'm taking problem with. Ends don't justify means.

I understand that you believe that getting to Heaven is a good thing and that's your primary focus. I get that you're ok with some degree of fear-based motivation to get there. I get that you see stern language in the Bible, and find it to be like what modern day street preachers do. I get...

Honestly, I don't feel listened to or that you're trying to understand my thoughts on that matter at all.

Doing one of the following: - Uplift one or more persons in the conversation - Help a person understand & love another person(s) better - Glorifying to God - One or more persons learning of truths. I am just feeling no heard and being frustrated with you.

Prayer Warrior, this conversation is not being productive, for the reasons I listed in posts 323 and 325.

Then you're not ok with street preacher or Hell-focused teaching? That's tonally different than Paul or Jesus' words. I know you don'[t get the difference but if you trying to lump Jesus with men I see as being downright abusive sinners is being quite triggering at this point and I'm not going...

This seems to be the core of this disagreement between us: I'm never ok with manipulation or threats, and see them as being inherently abusive & sinful. You seem to be ok with them under certain circumstances.

Not in a position to pull up the video right now. A generic example would be standing at the street corner shouting at random strangers about how they are going to burn for their sins. Nonsense. Manipulation is manipulation. Doing it for the perceived "greater good" doesn't make it right...

Neither Jesus nor Paul used the tactics a modern day street preacher uses. (speaking in general, there are some street preachers that don't fear mongrel and instead serve with love). Manipulation is manipulation. Doesn't matter if the person is doing it because they think that by doing so it...

The bolded is literally the M.O. of your standard street preacher.

He is threatening people. It feels like you keeping trying to make excuses for this abusive behavior, and it is getting frustrating.