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  1. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Forever O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven. All things change but Jesus never. Having prophesies of Jesus fulfilled did not mean all prophesy was now moot. The prophesies of the end and Israel being restored etc are as valid as ever. Promises and prophesy are not wills or testaments. Not one...
  2. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    We only go there when we die. What has that got to do with all Israel being saved in the end?
  3. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The bible view is all that matters. If the people you cite knew the bible they would know that once that abomination is set up there is a countdown that starts for 3 and a half years. Since they did not, I would suggest dumping their material. No chance. From the time it is set up there shall...
  4. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Great so 3 had a clue. So? Impossible if they had any idea what the bible said. We know how long there will be when it is placed. Simple. In verse 26 that talks of Romans coming, they are called the people of the prince that will come. Why? Because that is what they were, soldiers of Rome...
  5. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So then what does Heb 12 have to do with the topic? How does that say there is no Israel except Christians?
  6. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No they sure are not. His word is here forever and His promises fail not. Prophesy about what happens to Israel in the end is not a will and testament. God said man was under the curse and that was not taken away in the new testament. That is taken away in the new earth. The new will and...
  7. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Have you went to New Jerusalem yet? Have you seen thousands of angels there? But be that as it may, what does that verse have to do with the 'true Israel'? It is a beautiful verse about how our future will be. Let me ask you something. If Mount Zion is New Jerusalem, does that mean there is not...
  8. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It does not negate the promises for that to happen!
  9. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    When we are talking about that nation, such as in prophesy, then of course it is talking about Jewish people. So, to be part of true Israel it is not enough to be a descendant. They also need Jesus. Then they are Israel in every sense of the word. That happens when all Israel gets saved in the...
  10. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Simple. Only the people of Israel, regardless of ancestry, who accept Messiah are Israel in any lasting or true sense of the word. The remnant will accept and truly be Israel. In other words the physical descendants of Jacob and Abraham (along with any who joined Israel according to God's...
  11. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You do realize that hill (zion) is in Israel? So if it talks about Zion and also Jerusalem, you think that means two different continents?
  12. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    He does not exercise that power until He comes for the most part. Not in the way of ruling the planet. He will rule the world when He returns, likey or lumpy. Correct, is that not obvious? Yes That depends on what part of that day or time we are talking about. It covers a lot. In that case...
  13. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I am going to guess all of Israel. Because when they all get saved He leads them in the right way and they turn from ungodliness. Why not? At times a different aspect of things is being focused on one would assume. Why would we call your vehicle a ford focus, and another time a car? That may...
  14. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    God telling us in advance what will happen is not taking away some covenant. Not in any way. Prophesy is God telling us what will happen. All Israel will be saved. Nothing to do with alternate covenants. It has to do with Jesus. The Jews who were saved I assume were raptured long before the...
  15. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Some would be wise men did, no doubt. Just as today we see wild nonsense from supposed know it alls. They did not believe that the abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel was set up! Why make stuff up? Whatever some popes pushed in error doesn't matter at all. Part of the verse does...
  16. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Look deeper. Example: 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. Again, you make stuff up 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be...
  17. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The remnant are saved by the new covenant of belief in Jesus which moots your points something fierce. Prophesies work like this -- they come true. Promises also. You seem to interpret promises and prophesies of the saving of Israel as something that does not involve Jesus. That is not good...
  18. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    It does not say any such thing. Jerusalem was often surrounded by armies. The special time He is talking about requires some understanding because it involves the book of Daniel the prophet. That tells us when this abomination of desolation will be placed and for how long and by whom etc. There...
  19. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The day includes a of of things. One of them is the fiery destruction of the wicked He destroys when He comes. Another is the rule on earth with His saints, another is the rebellion after the 1000 years, another is the new heaven and earth after the 1000 years etc etc. Your myopic opinions are a...
  20. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Since all Israel will believe they will be heirs. The better covenant Jesus gave us is grace and salvation as a gift. That is better than the blood of sheep. In no way does that mean God will not keep His promises already made!