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Since I do not believe in a 7 year tribulation, no.

ATP, Where do you see that progression in Scripture?

I think the tribulation has been going on since the church began. John said he was a partaker of the tribulation. “I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God...

I appreciate your thoughts Katabole. Welcome aboard!

I don't know that European colonialism and the Manifest Destiny are directly related to Christian theology. There were a lot of politics and greed involved in such decisions that were not directly related to any particular church or denomination. That is a different ballgame than Islamic Jihad...

Im all for the new healthcare if it works. So far it doesn't seem to be. We had CoOpportunity...and great rates. The company went belly-up and now we are scrambling to find something. I agree something had to be done because pricing people out of insurance when they get old and need it most...

I think if you look at the vast majority of Christian history, you will see very little violence and a great deal of humanitarian actions. The very few acts of violence committed by Christians were more of a result of authoritarianism than any specific pleas to Bible doctrine (most people in...

Im not trying to excuse or justify any behavior. I think the difference, although, is one in which those who are Christian (or carry the label) do horrible things and one in which one's religious beliefs compel them to do horrible things. I know supposed Christians used the Bible as a means to...

Fair enough. Miscommunications happen. I still think my original summaries of the various views are not "ignorant" based on what has been explored above. Yes, and its just another of a host of various stabs at this: multiverse, big bang, superstrings, anti-matter, etc. Ultimately, I think...

I'm confused. You said, I said, And you said, Am I being "Punk'd"? Are you looking for me to give you an example of scientists making this claim..or were you going to give an example and forgot? I provided three quotes above that claim the theory does not explain the origins of the...

Well, pretty much every publication out there says the "big bang" does not explain the first cause. So, I guess we can just say that those in the field cant make up their mind on the issue. Either way, my point was simply that my quote did not display "ignorance." It's based on what...

Of course. Do you agree that the science of astronomy is not an explanation of origins of the big bang, nor is it intended to be? You made this statement about my statement of "it all came from nothing without purpose or order": "And that would likely irritate this guy...."everything from...

I am in no way saying that astronomy is not a technical field of science. I am saying that arguing the "big bang" as an uncaused explanation of all things is not based in that technical science. That is a red herring. The technicality of astronomy has nothing to do with the origins of the big...

Your implication was the scientific detail behind the theory is beyond us and to simplify it to "nothing created everything" is a display of ignorance of the actual theory. The reality is that the theory has no answers. However, many proponents of the theory argue that all time, matter and...

Hmmm, that's interesting, because this is exactly what the major publications of "modern cosmology" say. So I don't know what your friends are reading that would make them scoff at the idea that the "Big bang" has no answers for its cause or what made all matter, time and energy condensed...

Well, that is the teleological argument (which I believe is a very powerful and valid argument...even though it can be misused, especially by overzealous Christians. That being said, I think non-Christians are often equally at fault in their claims for lack of design.). The other arguments...

No, this is certainly not the case. The ontological argument has been around long before scientific "proofs." It is a philosophical argument that was developed by Anselm around 1100 AD. The cosmological argument is also primarily philosophical, although sometimes some scientific arguments are...

I think responses such as the ontological argument, cosmological argument, etc. are substantial proof that "a God" exists. I believe this to be different than convincing a Christian that a Hindu god is a true god. I think it is logical to conclude there is a Creator. It seems to me that...

It will join subsequent posts automatically. From my experience, people will not read overly lengthy posts. It's better to converse a little bit at a time. If I had issues with your material (which I didn't read due to length) I wouldnt be able to respond due to the sheer volume. I'd have to...

Zeke25, These posts are for discussion. Copying and pasting huge amount of material is against CB policy. Most people aren't interested in reading a book in the middle of a discussion forum.