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  1. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Maybe not dead before the fire happens but on the way to it. We also might look into when Dan 7 is talking about. Would that be the great white throne judgment? 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head...
  2. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Maybe we could say he was killed by the lake of fire or on the way to it? By the time he reaches the lake his body is dead. That means he was taken alive and cast in alive, but then his body was destroyed and he was killed as he went to the lake.
  3. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. You have no idea what being tossed into a lake of fire is like. That would destroy your body. It would also kill you. Bing and a bam and a boom. God was right all along.
  4. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. Power is given to him over all kindreds actually. Revelation is not where we get details of how. Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? So he is...
  5. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Why would we try to quote Matthew or Hosea or Genesis in another book? There are additional clues in prophesy found in different books. Daniel and Revelation speak of the final leader and we get details in both books. For example some of the wars in the end we find in Daniel. If this is not...
  6. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    We already know he overthrows 3 kings from Daniel. Not everything needs to be restated. The evil leader is killed and his body is destroyed as he is cast alive into the lake of fire. Their bodies are destroyed as they are cast alive into the lake of fire. Not sure why you strive to try and...
  7. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    We do not know all that the AC does. Does the AC overthrow 3 powers and later work with ten others? Do the countries that get overthrown still exist and simply get new regimes which then work with the world government? You are not qualified to say the final leader somewhere along the line does...
  8. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The prophesy Jesus was referred to when Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation. So we know that is bang on.Nowhere did Jesus say THAT time was shortened. The prophesy includes God knowing what the days were going to be shortened to. Says who? There are ten kings that are under the beast...
  9. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    I added nothing. The seven years are the time allotted. The mid point till the end is the 31/2 years. Nothing in the prophesy is changed or shortened or added to. There is an exact appointed time. The seven years are the last seven years of man's rule on earth. Also the time of Jacob's trouble...
  10. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Did you think that meant that He did not know all this when He gave the years and months? The time shortened was time that could have been outside the prophesy. In other words, unless mankind was stopped they would kill themselves. So God tells us in prophesy that there is an end to man's time...
  11. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No idea how your math works. sorry. When God says seven years, that is exactly what it is.
  12. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. For the seven years or the last part of that seven years to be reduced in time would mean there was not seven years after all. There is. The full 3 1/2 years of Tribulation that starts in the middle is exactly as long as prophesied and not reduced. Period.
  13. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    That is not what the bible says. It starts the clock when the abomination of desolation is set up. Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.' In the middle of the ‘seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that...
  14. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    False. The beast does not appear out of thin air one day. The beast is a man alive that will be revealed one day. That leader does not pop onto the planet the day he sets up the abomination of desolation in the holy place! For all we know he was in power long before that time. Once he blasphemes...
  15. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Jesus pointed out no flesh would be saved if those days were not shortened. We seem to agree on that one. I disagree. The last and most sever part of the wrath is at the end of the Tr4ibulation, and when Jesus returns. That does not mean it is the only wrath. Looking at the seals and trumpets...
  16. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Show me the quote where you think I said that. There is a war mentioned, yes. I suspect that might be connected to the covenant mentioned. It doesn't really matter though. By the way it was not Dan 9:27 that mentioned a war. So who are the people of the prince in Dan 9:26? The power that was in...
  17. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. The time was shortened, not the prophesy that took that into account already. Nothing is on your side.
  18. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. He did not. There will be seven years allotted for the end. Of course the white horse rider will be on the scene as well. When he breaks the covenant in the middle of the seven years then he will not only be on the scene, but start the Great Tribulation. You can call it a tomato if you...
  19. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Rev 13 or any other chapter does not support erasing the last seven years of history given in prophesy to Daniel. The 42 months is in the midst of the week. It did not REPLACE the week!
  20. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The Great Tribulation is the last part of the seven years. Three and a half years. That time is given in days and months also, and is not something God changes/shortens When He speaks it is so. Not at all, you just misapplied a verse about how that time was shortened. Yes it was shortened, and...