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The total number of the bride is unknown. Nowhere does the bible say that the witnesses in the tribulation are either the bride, or the number of the bride. That sounds like some Jehovah Witness nonsense. So now you try to say that the tribulation witnesses are not only the bride, but that they...

Sorry, you do not get to call questions seeking clarity on basic issues like whether people are actually people on earth or not. Your replies were of less merit than those claiming an alien invasion, and zero bible support was offered.

Nice try. Explain how God destroyed their enemies and restored them after they get saved in 70AD?

Losing a debate and resorting to misapplied verses is childish.

OK, so you do NOT think that the Jews from the tribes chosen as witnesses in the end are real people. Finally. One of the titles of God, and very real and important. It pictures the sacrifice He made. I would note that Jesus is not a good comparison to some witnessing Jews in the endtime. You...

In any event, how do you think you know what number they are (less than 144,000)? What point is that exactly? You think there are people raised up who never heard the gospel? Were they saved or unsaved people, and how many? No. Not really. Firstly it should be clear who are raised in the first...

Self righteous drivel Try speaking clear. Are the 144,000 real people really alive on earth in the end or not? Sorry, you can't hide under that chirade. You have demonstrated a total lack of ability to make any case biblically (let alone be clear or make sense) It is a waste of time trying...

Not really interested in opinionated left field lost in space dogmatic time wasting rubbish. There have been billions saved probably in the last few thousand years. Real alive people. Your doctrine is not grounded in reality or the bible. We will get a new body one day. (hence the seed...

The issue is that they are real live people, not dead and in the heavens. Those saved already would not ne waiting for salvation. Is that not patently obvious? I see, so you are talking spiritually or something. Does this mean that you actually think the 144,000 are really alive and people on...

Bottom line is that we are saved when we believe. We are saved now. We have eternal life now. Period.

And we have that blessed assurance. Right now Great, so what has that to do with the endtime witnesses? Waiting does not mean we are not saved in the meantime. He has declared we will have eternal life if we believe in Him. That does not mean we are not alive. Neither are we! He said it will...

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It is interesting thinking about when Russia and company try to invade Israel and get wiped out by God. That is a separate battle than the battle of Armageddon at the very end of the tribulation. I heard David Jeremiah talking about how the great supper of the Lord where the birds are called...

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. You thought you knew the rest of the dead on earth numbered less than 144,000 -- how?

Jesus made the way to salvation and actually is the way and salvation. WE choose that way or not. Our choice decides our redemption, He made the way to be redeemed and planned that before the world began. That in no way means we are destined to hell or heaven, it means He made the way for us to...

To be crucified with Christ does not mean to be nailed to crosses on a hill. We are saved by faith in Jesus. After that we should try to keep the old man/body down. Paul tried. Paul was saved before he died. We all are. No one in the tribulation or elsewhere must be killed to be saved. It is not...

Of course we who were raptured will be with Jesus at the end of the tribulation. So why would witnesses needed to witness in that last time on earth (144,000) not be on earth in that time? What does us being Raptured before the tribulation have to do with the 144,000 witnesses? It is also a...

So before we saw that 144,000 I notice this.. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. So all islands moved away (Australia etc) and the heavens folded up and were no more. I don't think one could rationally...

OK so it is just the 2 witnesses and not the 144,000 you think get killed. I do not recall any verse that says we must die to get sealed? It seems to me witnesses (144,000 in this case) need to be alive to witness.

So whose bodies are killed? The 144,000?