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  1. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The Tribulation is before the second coming and we are told that a leader will be here in that time, and do certain things.
  2. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    We learn it is a seven years covenant that is broken mid way after 3 and a half years. We learn when it is broken the beast stands in the holy place and has his image set up. We learn that after the covenant is broken believers in Israel must flee immediately for their lives. We learn God...
  3. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Being a liar like his father is what he is all about. By the time he breaks it, it is years into the covenant. The covenant is a means to an end. Soon as he feels he can get away with it, he breaks it. They do not break the treaty until 3/12 years into it. Obviously that is not 'just made'...
  4. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    All can make a choice now and also in that last seven years. That is why witnesses preach and ask people to repent. That is made up. Nothing is extended, that is why we are given the very days. We know that the AC works with others to break the covenant I gave the verses a few posts ago. We...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Daniel 11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. So we know he is against the covenant. We also know he conspires with others of like mind. Daniel 11:30 For the ships of...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Surely you are familiar with the prophesy in Daniel that says he will break the covenant in the middle of the seven years? That is Scripture and therefore Scriptural proof. The Great Tribulation or second part of that 7 years is 3/12 years. No. The 3 days are three days. They do not lay dead...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Well, if the false prophet arises after the ten, what else would that make him but the eleventh? Since his job is to get people to follow the beast of course he is not a kingdom unto himself.(but he will be powerful as any of those ten kings to say the least) In revelation, since he comes after...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Looks to me like the wolf in sheep clothing (the false prophet) appears as a sheep to more than just 'christians'. That could be why we see him with two horns. (perhaps muslim and christian appeal). But whatever the reason, he is in the same regime as the beast, and yes, that involves 10...
  9. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    What was your main point? I seem to recall you were trying to support contradictions and differences in the bible. Looks like that has degraded into vague one liners.
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No one needs to change that fact. But another fact is that the beast is not born the time he sets up the abomination of desolation. So there is plenty that goes on in the first half of the seven years also. Having total control for a certain time does not mean that he did not have a lot of...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    For a (anything) to be changed or broken mid way, there has to be a mid point. The tribulation is the mid point of the seven years. If you doubt that just double three and a half years and see what the total is. And...so? Does that tell us where and when it happens? Actually I think we need a...
  12. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    OK, so your interpretation of your words is that you later clarified what seemed like an obvious statement. Please be careful to be clear.
  13. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Only from you are there empty words. Right we know who they were. Babylon,Medo Persia,Greece and Rome. So now we jump thousands of years. "AFTER this" So this AntiChrist who is clearly identified in this chapter, is DIFFERENT from all those other beast/kingdoms that cam before. No doubt when...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Says you. However, the fourth beast is the last one. Your little proclamation is overruled.
  15. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Wrong. The Rome that the final leader presides over is not thousands of years ago. 'Out from among them' is where the AC comes from. You are lost in a time quandary. The beast is in the end time, not lost in the past somewhere.
  16. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Pandemics and wars are covered by the bible. What is not covered is your claim it is a certain war that brings it all in. Then perhaps you can interpret what you said for us? "So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions, governed by 10 Presidents*, they know there...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The fourth beast is Rome. The first was Babylon. The second was Medo Persia. The third was Greece. Greece was divided into four by four generals (since Alexander had no heir) Now I think it jumps to the AntiChrist, who heads the final manifestation of the Roman empire. -- Daniel 7:8 I...
  18. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    After real emergencies, say a limited nuclear war, a severe food shortage, a genuine pandemic that kills say hundreds of millions of people or etc I suspect nations would be willing to cooperate. Dan mentions three kings that get overthrown, maybe they were holdouts!? Sometimes such a big thing...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Not sure I mentioned or care about how much time Satan will have. The issue is that there are seven years given in prophesy and that is the last years or man's rule on earth. Both the false prophet and beast are alive, obviously in that seven years and well before it. We are not told when the...
  20. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    What verse says that? If you are talking about Dan 7:8 it says this I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth...